Solving QFT Problem: Deriving <k'|(\partial_\mu \phi^\dag)\phi|k>

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The discussion revolves around a quantum field theory (QFT) problem involving the derivation of a specific matrix element involving scalar field operators. Participants explore the implications of inserting complete sets of states and the behavior of field operators on one-particle states, with a focus on the conditions under which certain overlaps vanish.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the matrix element and the validity of inserting a vacuum projector.
  • Another participant suggests inserting a complete set of states to identify which states contribute to the matrix element, implying that many states do not contribute.
  • A participant questions why the overlap with two-particle states vanishes, indicating a need for clarification on this point.
  • Discussion includes the action of field operators on one-particle states, with a focus on the implications of particle and antiparticle creation and annihilation.
  • One participant proposes an alternative proof involving the insertion of a complete set of momentum operator states, suggesting that only the vacuum state survives.
  • There is a discussion about the identity operator in the context of one-particle states and its limitations in the broader QFT Hilbert space.
  • Another participant notes that if external momenta are equal, there are options for creating and destroying antiparticles, but this does not apply when momenta differ.
  • Concerns are raised about the completeness of single particle momentum states and the necessity of considering multiparticle states for a complete basis.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proposed proofs or the conditions under which certain overlaps vanish. Multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of field operator actions and the completeness of state representations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the behavior of field operators and the completeness of the state representations in QFT, particularly regarding the treatment of particle and antiparticle states.

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Somehow I have problems with figuring out the following problem:
I know that the scalar field is obeying the follwoing equations:
[tex]<0|\phi(x)|k> = e^{ikx}[/tex]
[tex]<0|\phi(x)^\dag|k> = 0[/tex]
[tex]<k'|\phi(x)^\dag|0> = e^{-ik'x}[/tex]
[tex]<k'|\phi(x)|0> = 0[/tex]
And I was told that I can deduce the following result from the equations above:
[tex]<k'|(\partial_\mu \phi^\dag)\phi|k> = - i k'_\mu e^{-i(k'-k)x}[/tex]
I can 'derive' this when I sandwich a vacuum projector in the lhs:
[tex]<k'|(\partial_\mu \phi^\dag)\phi|k> = (\partial_\mu <k'|\phi^\dag|0>)<0|\phi|k>[/tex]
But I do not understand why I am allowed to do this?
 
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Hi PJK,

A good way to think about this problem is to insert a complete set of states (which you are always allowed to do) and ask which states contribute to the matrix element. As you will see, many don't.

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks for your answer Physics Monkey!
This is what I originally did, but I do not understand why the overlap with the two-particle states vanishes?
 
Hi PJK,

What do you know about the action of the field operator on a one particle state? It might be useful to think about the charge of the resulting state (I'm assuming [tex]\phi(x)[/tex] is a complex field).
 
Hey Physics Monkey,

ok I think I understand what you mean:
[tex]\phi \approx b + c^\dag[/tex] So it destroys phi particles and creates phi antiparticles
[tex]\phi^\dag \approx b^\dag + c^[/tex] So it destroys phi antiparticles and creates phi particles

Thus in a process phi -> phi where the momenta k_i of the incoming and outgoing particle are not equal the phi operator has to destroy the incoming particle and the phi^\dag operator has to destroy the outgoing. So it is guaranteed that after these operators acted on the its corresponding state to right or to the left the vacuum is obtained. Is that correct? But this argument doesn't hold when the momenta are equal, or?

Furthermore I thought about another proof, but I am not sure if it is correct: I could sandwitch in a complete set of momentum operator states:
[tex]\int d\tilde{p} <k'|\phi(x)^\dag|p><p|\phi(x)|k>[/tex]
The only surviving state of the complete set of eigenstates is the vacuum.
Is this proof correct?

Thank you very much for your hints!
 
Is it some thing like

[tex]\left|p\rangle \langle p \right|= 1[/tex]

Is the identity matrix?

So you can insert it any where.
 
Finbar said:
Is it some thing like

[tex]\left|p\rangle \langle p \right|= 1[/tex]

Is the identity matrix?

So you can insert it any where.
It is identity in the 1-particle sector, but not on the whole QFT Hilbert space.
 
Hi PJK,

I haven't checked carefully, but it does look like if the external momenta are equal then one has the option of creating and destroying an anti-particle instead of messing with the particle. Of course, the particle process remains valid as well.

Also, the single particle momentum states don't by themselves form a complete basis, so you can't just insert them here (Edit: as Demystifier points out). Of course, the eigenstates of the full momentum operator do span the entire Hilbert space, but there one must consider multiparticle states as well.
 

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