Solving Ratio and Proportion Problem: (a+b+c)^2/(a^2+b^2+c^2)

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving ratios and proportions, specifically proving the relationship between the expression \((a+b+c)^2/(a^2+b^2+c^2)\) and \((a+b+c)/(a-b+c)\) under the condition that \(a\), \(b\), and \(c\) are in continued proportion. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the problem despite attempting various methods, including breaking down the formula for \((a+b+c)^2\) and using the componendo dividendo technique.
  • Another participant suggests clarifying the definition of continued proportion, stating that it means \(a/b = b/c\) or equivalently \(b^2 = ac\).
  • A further elaboration on continued proportion is provided, introducing a variable \(r\) to express \(b\) and \(c\) in terms of \(a\) and \(r\), suggesting substitution into the original equation.
  • One participant attempts the substitution but reports no success in reaching a solution.
  • Another participant provides a step-by-step approach to manipulate the equation, suggesting cancellations and factorizations, and encourages others to continue from a certain point.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the solution to the problem, and multiple approaches are presented without agreement on a definitive method or outcome. The discussion remains unresolved.

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Some participants' contributions rely on specific assumptions about the variables and their relationships, which may not be universally accepted or clarified. The mathematical steps provided are not fully resolved, leaving open questions regarding the validity of the manipulations.

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hi ,

i am stuck with a problem . the problem is

if a , b , c are in continued proportion ,then prove that

(a+b+c)^2/(a^2 +b^2 +c^2) =(a+b+c)/(a-b+c)

i have tried solving the problem in different way like breaking the formula of (a+b+c)^2 =a^2 +b^2 +c^2 + 2ab +2bc+2ca , then used componendo divedendo but ultimately no success. please help to solve the problem ...:confused:
 
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When you look at the https://driven2services.com/staging/mh/index.php?posts/34268/ to a similar problem, what would you say is the first step?
 
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what ? i am not getting you ...:confused:
 
Well, maybe you can say what it means for $a$, $b$, $c$ to be in continued proportion.
 
a,b,c in continued proportion means a/b=b/c
i.e b^2=ac
 
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kuheli said:
a,b,c in continued proportion means a/b=b/c
i.e b^2=ac
Yes. Another way to look at this is to denote $b/a=r$, i.e., $a/b=1/r$. Then $b=ar$, and $a/b=b/c$ gives $1/r=b/c$, i.e., $c=br$. That is, \[
b=ar\tag{1}
\]
and \[
c=br=a^2r\tag{2}.
\]
Now replace $c$ and $b$ in the equation you need to prove using (1) and (2), so that the only variables left are $a$ and $r$.
 
i tried that way.no result found
 
Let's see. You need to prove
\[
\frac{(a+ar+ar^2)^2}{a^2+(ar)^2+(ar^2)^2} = \frac{a+ar+ar^2}{a-ar+ar^2}
\]
First you can cancel $a+ar+ar^2$, which gives
\[
\frac{a+ar+ar^2}{a^2+(ar)^2+(ar^2)^2} = \frac{1}{a-ar+ar^2}
\]
Second, factor out all $a$'s and cancel them.
\[
\frac{a(1+r+r^2)}{a^2(1+r^2+r^4)} = \frac{1}{a(1-r+r^2)}
\]
i.e.,
\[
\frac{1+r+r^2}{1+r^2+r^4} = \frac{1}{1-r+r^2}
\]
Now multiply across (i.e., multiply both sides by both denominators) and represent $(1+r+r^2)(1-r+r^2)$ as $((1+r^2)+r)((1+r^2)-r)$ to use the formula $(x+y)(x-y)=x^2-y^2$.

Can you finish?
 

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