Solving Separable Variables: Need Assistance!

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation using the method of separable variables, specifically focusing on the substitution \( z = ax + by + c \) to transform the equation \( y' = f(ax + by + c) \) into a separable form. Participants are attempting to clarify the connection between the substitution and the separability of the resulting equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to apply the substitution \( z = ax + by + c \) to show that it changes \( y' = f(ax + by + c) \) into a separable equation.
  • Another participant suggests letting \( t = x + y \) and derives the equation \( \frac{dt}{dx} - 1 = t^2 \), indicating that this form is separable.
  • Several participants discuss the form \( x + y \) being similar to \( ax + by + c \) and question how this relates to the substitution.
  • A later reply provides a derivation using the substitution \( z = ax + by + c \) and shows that it leads to a separable equation, but does not clarify how this connects to the initial question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on how to effectively demonstrate the transformation of the equation using the substitution. There are multiple approaches discussed, but no agreement on a single method or clarity on the connection to the hint provided.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty regarding the application of the substitution and its implications for the separability of the equation. There are also unresolved questions about the relationship between the different forms of the equations presented.

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I have a question that is stumping me. I'd be grateful on some assistance.

Show that the substitutions $z= ax + by + c$ changes $y' = f(ax + by + c)$ into an equation with separable variables. Hence, solve the equation $y' = (x+y)^2$.

(hint: $\int \frac{1}{(1 + u^2)}du = tan^{-1} u+c$)

I thought i could do this, but my working takes me nowhere near to the hint. Therefore I'm lost. Help please!:confused:
 
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If $t=x+y\implies \dfrac{dt}{dx}=1+\dfrac{dy}{dx}$ so the ODE becomes $\dfrac{dt}{dx}-1=t^2,$ which is separable.
 
Thanks,

But how does that tie into the 1st part which says to show the substitutions z=ax + by + c changes y' = f(ax + by + c) into an equation with separable variables...??
Markov said:
If $t=x+y\implies \dfrac{dt}{dx}=1+\dfrac{dy}{dx}$ so the ODE becomes $\dfrac{dt}{dx}-1=t^2,$ which is separable.
 
shorty said:
Thanks,

But how does that tie into the 1st part which says to show the substitutions z=ax + by + c changes y' = f(ax + by + c) into an equation with separable variables...??

Can you see that $ \displaystyle x + y $ is of the form $ \displaystyle ax + by + c $?
 
yes. but how am i using the z substitution to show anything..?

Prove It said:
Can you see that $ \displaystyle x + y $ is of the form $ \displaystyle ax + by + c $?
 
shorty said:
I have a question that is stumping me. I'd be grateful on some assistance.

Show that the substitutions $z= ax + by + c$ changes $y' = f(ax + by + c)$ into an equation with separable variables. Hence, solve the equation $y' = (x+y)^2$.

(hint: $\int \frac{1}{(1 + u^2)}du = tan^{-1} u+c$)

I thought i could do this, but my working takes me nowhere near to the hint. Therefore I'm lost. Help please!:confused:

put \(z=ax+by+c\) then:

\[\large \frac{dz}{dx}=a+by' \]

so:

\[ \large z'-a=bf(z)\]

which is what Markov was trying to point you in the direction of.

CB
 
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shorty said:
yes. but how am i using the z substitution to show anything..?

So if you let $ \displaystyle z = x + y $, then

\[ \displaystyle \begin{align*} y &= z - x \\ \frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{dz}{dx} - 1 \end{align*} \]

So substitute this into the DE...

\[ \displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{dy}{dx} &= (x + y)^2 \\ \frac{dz}{dx} - 1 &= z^2 \\ \frac{dz}{dx} &= 1 + z^2 \\ \frac{1}{1 + z^2}\,\frac{dz}{dx} &= 1 \end{align*}\]

So clearly the equation is separable.

This is the exact same method Markov showed you, just using z instead of t...
 

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