Solving simultaneous equations

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The discussion revolves around solving the simultaneous equations \(2^{x+y} = 6^{y}\) and \(3^{x} = 6 \cdot 2^{y}\). Participants explore various methods to derive the values of \(x\) and \(y\) through algebraic manipulation and logarithmic properties. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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  • One participant presents their initial approach to solving the equations, leading to a derived relationship between \(x\) and \(y\).
  • Another participant suggests a substitution method to simplify the equations, leading to a linear relationship \(x = y + 1\).
  • A later reply confirms the substitution and derives values for \(x\) and \(y\) based on the established relationship.
  • Participants discuss the property of one-to-one functions in the context of exponential equations, emphasizing the conditions under which the property holds.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative approach using logarithmic manipulation to derive the same values for \(x\) and \(y\), confirming the results from previous posts.

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Participants generally agree on the methods used to solve the equations and arrive at similar values for \(x\) and \(y\). However, there is no explicit consensus on a single method being superior, as multiple approaches are discussed.

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Some participants note the assumption that \(x\) and \(y\) are real numbers when applying properties of exponential functions. There are also variations in the precision of the derived values for \(x\) and \(y\.

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I am trying to solve the simultaneous equation 2^x+y = 6^y and 3^x = 6(2^y) i have solved as follows
3^x . 2^x+y = 3^x . 6^y
3^x. 2^x+y = 6(2^y). 2^x+y on subtraction
i get
3^x.6^y - 6(2^y).2^x+y = 0 then
3^x. 6^y = 6(2^y). 2^x. 2^y on solving i get
x log (3/2)= log 6+y log(3/2) now i do i get x and y from this step. the answers are x=2.71 and y = 1.71 regards
 
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Okay, let's see. So just to make sure I have the problem clear... your two equations are 2^{x+y} = 6^{y} and 3^{x} = 6 \cdot 2^{y}. Fun looking problem, really. Well, let's see... if you multiply both sides of the second equation by 2^x, you get this:

6^{x} = 6 \cdot 2^{x+y}

Then if we substitute the second equation in for the first, we get this:

6^{x} = 6 \cdot 6^{y}

Now this looks nice and simple. The right side simplifies to 6^(y+1), and so we have 6^(x) = 6^(y+1). Now, there's a certain property, I can't remember what it is, but basically it says if a^x = a^y, then x=y. So using that property, we have x=y+1. Good! We found a simple linear relation between x and y. Now we just need to figure out what satisfies this. To solve that, we substitute y+1 wherever we see an x in the first equation to find the solution for x, which we then need to subtract 1 from that solution to get y. That should be the whole solution set.
 
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Thanks i now get it
2^x+y =6^y since x=y+1,
2^y+1+y = 6^y
2^2y+1 = 6^y
4^y+2 = 6^y
log 2 = y log (6/4)
y= log 2/ log 1.5
y= 1.709 hence x = 1.709+1 = 2.709
 
Char. Limit said:
Now, there's a certain property, I can't remember what it is, but basically it says if a^x = a^y, then x=y. So using that property, we have x=y+1.
The property is that the function is "one-to-one": if f is a "one-to-one" function and f(x)= f(y) then x= y. Or, equivalently, that the exponential function, a^x, has the inverse function, log_a(x). If a^x= a^y then ln(a^x)= ln(a^y) so that x= y.
 
HallsofIvy said:
The property is that the function is "one-to-one": if f is a "one-to-one" function and f(x)= f(y) then x= y. Or, equivalently, that the exponential function, a^x, has the inverse function, log_a(x). If a^x= a^y then ln(a^x)= ln(a^y) so that x= y.

Ah, thank you, that's the one! Of course, the exponential function is only one-to-one if we assume x and y are both real, but we can safely assume that here.
 
I looked at this question again, though tedious we can also have this approach,

##6 (2^y)⋅ 2^{x+y} = 6^y⋅ 6 (2^y)##
##6^y ⋅3^x = 6 (2^y)⋅6^y##

then,
##6 (2^y)⋅ 2^{x+y} = 6^y ⋅3^x##

##\dfrac{2^y ⋅ 2^x}{3^x ⋅ 3^y} = \dfrac {1}{6}##

##\left(\dfrac{2}{3}\right)^{x+y} = \dfrac {1}{6}##

##(x+y) \log \dfrac{2}{3} = \log \dfrac {1}{6}##

##(x+y)=\dfrac{\log \dfrac{1}{6}}{\log \dfrac{2}{3}}##

##x+y = 4.419## to three decimal places.

from,

##2^{x+y} = 6^y##

##(x+y) \log 2 = y \log 6##

##4.419 \log 2 = y \log 6##

##y = \dfrac {4.419 \log 2}{\log 6}##

##y = 1.71##

##x=4.419-1.71= 2.71## to two decimal places.
 

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