Solving Tensions on a Rope: Magnitude of Force and Assumptions

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a rope subjected to pulling forces at both ends, with a focus on the tensions in the rope segments and the conditions under which these tensions can be considered equal. Participants are exploring concepts related to static equilibrium and the implications of various assumptions about the rope's properties.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the magnitude of the force exerted by one segment of the rope on another, questioning the relevance of constants like g. They are also discussing conditions that allow for the assumption of equal tensions in a horizontal rope, with some confusion regarding the term "negligible sag."

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning each other's interpretations. Some have provided guidance on the implications of Newton's third law and the conditions for zero net force, while others are exploring different interpretations of the problem's conditions.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the rope's mass and sag, which are critical to their reasoning about tension. There is an ongoing exploration of how these assumptions affect the analysis of forces in the system.

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Consider a rope subjected to a pulling force on its two ends as shown. The rope is stationary. An arbitrary point P divides the rope into a left-hand segment L and a right-hand segment R.

1. Assume that segment R exerts a force of magnitude T on segment L. What is the magnitude of the force exerted on segment R by segment L?
Give your answer in terms of T and other constants such as g.

2. Which of the following phrases, if they appear in a problem, allow you to assume that T2=T1 in a horizontally oriented rope? (There can be more than one answer)
A. The rope is massless.
B. The rope is moving at constant speed.
C. The rope is stretched with negligible sag.

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For number 1, I think the answer is T because the rope's being stationary indicates that the net force is zero. But should I also include constants like g?
For number 2, I think the answer is all of A, B, and C. Choice C is especially confusing because I don't quite get what "negligible sag" means.


Thank you.
 

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ysk1 said:
For number 1, I think the answer is T because the rope's being stationary indicates that the net force is zero. But should I also include constants like g?
What does Newton's 3rd law tell you?
For number 2, I think the answer is all of A, B, and C. Choice C is especially confusing because I don't quite get what "negligible sag" means.
I assume T1 and T2 are the tensions at the ends of that rope?

If the rope had weight, the tension force at each end would have to have a vertical component to balance the weight of the rope--which implies that the rope must sag a bit.
 
Would the answer for #1 be -T?
But the question asks to only identify the magnitude, not the direction of the force.
Then, isn't the answer just T?

For #2, I think the answer is only B because the fact that the rope is moving at constant speed indicates zero net force, meaning that T2 and T1 are balanced. Am I correct?
 
ysk1 said:
Would the answer for #1 be -T?
But the question asks to only identify the magnitude, not the direction of the force.
Then, isn't the answer just T?
That's right.

For #2, I think the answer is only B because the fact that the rope is moving at constant speed indicates zero net force, meaning that T2 and T1 are balanced. Am I correct?
You are correct that B is a correct answer. In that case, "ma" equals zero because a = 0. What's the other way that "ma" can equal zero?
 
Is the net force also zero when the rope is stretched with negligible sag?
 

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