Solving the HH equation for a Phosphate Buffer

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of using the Henderson-Hasselbalch (HH) equation to prepare phosphate buffers, specifically in achieving a target pH of 7.2. Participants explore the discrepancies between calculated ratios of acid and salt and the actual pH observed in the prepared buffer solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with using the HH equation for phosphate buffers, noting that the calculated ratio of acid to salt does not yield the expected pH of 7.2.
  • Another participant suggests that ionic strength and activity coefficients may be influencing the buffer's behavior.
  • A participant questions why the HH equation works for Tris buffers but not for phosphate buffers, implying a potential difference in pKa values or conditions.
  • It is proposed that the pKa value used for Tris may already account for ionic strength, which could explain the difference in behavior between the two buffer systems.
  • One participant mentions that the phosphate buffer has a significantly higher ionic strength compared to Tris, suggesting that this could affect the pH outcomes and recommends diluting the buffers for further observation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons for the discrepancies observed in pH values when using the HH equation for phosphate buffers. Multiple competing views regarding the influence of ionic strength and pKa values remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the ionic strength of the phosphate buffer is significantly higher than that of Tris, which may complicate the application of the HH equation. There is also mention of the potential need for corrections in pKa values based on ionic strength, but these aspects remain unresolved.

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I have a relatively simple problem. I'm used to making Tris buffer and always use the HH equation to figure it out initially for my ratio of acid/salt in percentage for my given pH.

This is not working for phosphate buffers and really getting me frustrated right now. I know i could just use a table but i like to know what I am doing wrong:

I have Sodium phosphate monobasic and dibasic (acid/salt respectively)

the pKa is 7.21

knowing: pH = pK + log (salt/acid)

I want a pH of 7.2. Let's say pKa is 7.2 for simplicity:

[acid] + [salt] = 100% (1)
salt = 1-acid

7.2 = 7.2 + log (1-acid/acid)
10^ 0 = (1-acid)/acid
2*acid = 1
acid =0.5
salt= 0.5

i know its reallllly .506 and .494 for pka is really 7.21

BUT using this ratio does not give anything close to 7.2: more like 6.8 ( i made a 0.5L of 200mM using 49.4mmol Na2HPO4 an 50.6mmol NaH2PO4 = 100mmol/0.5L = 200mM) the pH was 6.8

So:
I Double checked phosphate buffer charts and low and behold the 50:50 ratio in fact gives a pH of ~6.8 or 6.9.

Why is this if the pKA is 7.21 ?
 
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Thanks,

I considered this, but i had thought that ionic strength was only a problem in higher concentrations this complicates life...

Aside,
How come HH works for Tris buffers even with the addition of NaCl, but not phosphate?
 
It works for both cases. Could be TRIS pKa value that you use is already corrected for ionic strength.

Check out Buffer Maker, it does the ionic strength calculations automatically.

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I think if you work out what you have got in the solution, if each is at pH equal to their pK, the phosphate buffer has 5X the ionic strength as the same concentration of tris, so ionic strength effects would be expected greater. Just try diluting the two buffers and tell us what you observe.
 

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