Solving the Ice Melting Problem - Sergio's Calculation

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The problem involves a jar of tea that reaches an equilibrium temperature of 32.4°C, into which ice at 0°C is added to cool the liquid. The goal is to determine the mass of the remaining ice when the temperature of the tea drops to 30.9°C. The calculations involve heat transfer between the ice and the tea, considering specific heat capacities.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the heat gained by the ice and the heat lost by the tea, leading to confusion about the signs of the heat values. Some participants question the assumptions regarding the temperature changes of the ice and the process of melting.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the heat transfer calculations. There is a recognition that the ice does not warm up above 0°C, which raises questions about the initial calculations and the understanding of latent heat. Some guidance has been offered regarding the phase change of ice and the necessary heat for melting.

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There is a discussion about the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the temperature of the ice and the heat transfer process. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their approach and the implications of their calculations.

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I have done some calculations so far but i am kind of stuck, here is the problem:

A jar of tea is placed in sunlight until it reaches an equilibrium temp of 32.4 deg C. In an attempt to cool the liquid, which has a mass of 185g, 113g of ice at 0degC is added. Assume specific heat capacity of the tea to be that of pure liquid water. At the time at which the temp of the tea is 30.9degC, find the mass of the remaining ice in the jar (in grams)
This is the work i have so far:
Q = heat gained by ice
= mcdeltaT
= 0.113kg x 2090J/kgdegC x (30.9C-0C)
= 7 297.653 J

Q = heat lost by water
= mcdeltaT
= 0.185kg x 4186J/kgdegC x (30.9C-32.4C)
= -1 161.615J
So,
ice from 0degC -> 30.9degC = 7297.653J
water from 32.4degC -> 30.9degC = -1161.615J

In my book it suggests to do Q that is left = Qwater-Qice, this gives me 8459.268J

I really am not sure what do do from here on, any suggestions? I have to find the grams remaining in the jar:confused:

Thanks

Sergio
 
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Ok did a little more work and i think i might have the solution, can somebody tell me if I am doing this correctly...

using the 8459.268J i calculated for the Q that is left, i did:
mass= Q/Lf(of ice)
= 8495.268J / 33.5e+4J/kg
=0.02525kg (this is amount of ice melted?)

using that then i just subtract my initial mass of ice 0.113kg by 0.02525kg and convert into grams giving my final answer to 87.75grams of ice not melted

this seems reasonable, can somebody tell me if my thought process is correct?
 
Ice does not warm up from 0°C to 30.9°C. Ice melts at 0°C and the water that results warms up.
 
so this being said it is -7297.653?
 
S_fabris said:
so this being said it is -7297.653?
I have no idea what this refers to.
 
Q = heat gained by ice
= mcdeltaT
= 0.113kg x 2090J/kgdegC x (30.9C-0C)
= 7 297.653 J

If its not heat gained by the ice...it is lost? therefore the number should be negative?
I'm kind of loosing grip on the problem...perhaps I am thinking to much into it

I'm assuming you are suggesting to rethink this equation (and that the rest of my calculations are correct?)

stick in the bicycle wheels :S
Sergio
 
S_fabris said:
Q = heat gained by ice
= mcdeltaT
= 0.113kg x 2090J/kgdegC x (30.9C-0C)
= 7 297.653 J

If its not heat gained by the ice...it is lost? therefore the number should be negative?
I'm kind of loosing grip on the problem...perhaps I am thinking to much into it

I'm assuming you are suggesting to rethink this equation (and that the rest of my calculations are correct?)

stick in the bicycle wheels :S
Sergio
The ice temperature cannot go above 0°C.

What have you learned about the latent heat associated with changes of phase? It takes a lot of heat to melt ice at 0°C to change it to liquid water at 0°C. Then it takes additional heat to change the temperature of that melted water from 0°C to 30.9°C.
 

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