Solving the Laplace Equation on a Circular Wedge

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The discussion revolves around solving the Laplace equation on a circular wedge, specifically addressing the boundary conditions and the implications of the separation of variables method. The problem involves understanding the behavior of the solution under given conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the separation of variables technique, questioning the validity of certain assumptions regarding the terms in the solution, particularly the inclusion of negative powers of r. There is also discussion about the implications of boundary conditions on the form of the solution.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering alternative perspectives on the solution structure and boundary conditions. Some guidance has been provided regarding the form of the solution, but there is no explicit consensus on the reasoning or final approach.

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There are uncertainties regarding the boundary conditions and their implications on the solution, particularly at r = 0. The original poster's assumptions about the behavior of the solution at this point are being questioned.

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Homework Statement

I need to solve the Laplace equation, u_rr + (1/r)u_r + (1/r^2)u_{theta}{theta} = 0,
on a circular wedge with radius R, angle {alpha}, where u(r,0) = 0, u(R,{theta}) = 0, and
u(r,{alpha}) = 50.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution

Separate variables - u(r,{theta}) = P(r)Q({theta}), and we have the equations

Q'' + (k^2)Q = 0, (r^2)P'' + rP' - (k^2)P = 0, where k is a constant. Q_n = Asin(n{theta})+Bcos(n{theta}), P_n = C(r^n).

Since u(r,0) = 0, B = 0. Now, since u(R,{theta}) = 0, this must mean R^n = 0, hence
R = 0, so u = 0 for all r, {theta}. Is this reasoning correct?
 
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NT123 said:

Homework Statement

I need to solve the Laplace equation, u_rr + (1/r)u_r + (1/r^2)u_{theta}{theta} = 0,
on a circular wedge with radius R, angle {alpha}, where u(r,0) = 0, u(R,{theta}) = 0, and
u(r,{alpha}) = 50.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution

Separate variables - u(r,{theta}) = P(r)Q({theta}), and we have the equations

Q'' + (k^2)Q = 0, (r^2)P'' + rP' - (k^2)P = 0, where k is a constant. Q_n = Asin(n{theta})+Bcos(n{theta}), P_n = C(r^n).

Since u(r,0) = 0, B = 0. Now, since u(R,{theta}) = 0, this must mean R^n = 0, hence
R = 0, so u = 0 for all r, {theta}. Is this reasoning correct?

No, it isn't. You don't get just rn but you also get r-n. And I would suggest using something other than n since it isn't restricted to integer values with only one theta boundary condition. Perhaps μ would be better. So you have sin(μθ) and you have {rμ,r}, or equivalently {eμln(r),e-μln(r)} or, even better, {cosh(μln(r)),sinh(μln(r)}. This would give a two parameter family Acosh(μln(r)) + Bsinh(μln(r)), which looks like an addition formula. Since you have a zero boundary condition when r = R, this suggests even another choice for a two parameter family:

P(r) = A sinh(μln(r) + B)

Then P(R) = A sinh(μln(R) + B) and this can be made to be 0 by picking B = -μln(R).

This gives P(r) = A sinh(μln(r)-μln(R)) = A sinh(μln(r/R))

So at this point you have:

Qμ = sin(μθ) and Pμ=sinh(μln(r/R)).

These work in your DE and solve the homogeneous BC's. Hopefully, you can take it from there because it's been too long since I have looked at this stuff.
 
LCKurtz said:
No, it isn't. You don't get just rn but you also get r-n

I thought the r^(-n) part was removed because then the solution would go to infinity at r = 0.
 
NT123 said:
I thought the r^(-n) part was removed because then the solution would go to infinity at r = 0.

You didn't give careful statements of your boundary conditions but I would expect they are something like this:

u(r,0) = 0, 0 < r < R
u(R,θ) = 0, 0 < θ < α
u(r,α) = 50, 0 < r < R

In particular you aren't giving u(0,0) and the first and third conditions would disagree if you tried. So I don't see where keeping the r is ruled out. And you need it to get your second boundary condition as I have shown. Your separated equation for P(r) has a singular point at r =0.

You can verify that u(r,θ) = Asin(μθ)sinh(μln(r/R)) satisfies the DE and the homogeneous BC's. But, like I said, you're on your own from here.
 

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