Solving the Rotating Wire Problem

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The discussion focuses on solving the rotating wire problem involving a circular wire hoop with a bead moving along it. The equilibrium position of the bead is determined by analyzing the equations of motion derived from the Lagrangian, with the equilibrium angle calculated as θ = arccos(-g/(ω²R)). Participants clarify the reference point for measuring θ, noting that it should be from the top of the hoop rather than the bottom to ensure correct potential energy calculations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly defining the coordinate system and potential energy to arrive at accurate results. Ultimately, the problem is resolved with the assistance of community input.
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Homework Statement



A circular wire hoop rotates with constant angular velocity ! about a vertical diameter. A small bead moves, without friction, along the hoop. Find the equilibrium position of the particle and calculate the frequency of small oscillations about this position.

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Let's take our reference inertial frame as a spherical co-ordinate system whose axis is along the axis of rotation of the who and whose origin is at the centre of the hoop.
Then position of M can be given by r, ## \theta, \phi ##.
Constraint: r= R,
## \dot \phi = \omega ## , constant.
There are two generalised coordinates ## \phi ## and ## \theta ##.

L = T - U

## T = \frac 1 2 mR^2 ( {\dot \theta}^2 + \sin ^2 \theta {\dot \phi}^2) ##
Taking U = 0 at the origin, U = mgR ## \cos \theta ##
So, L = ## \frac 1 2 mR^2 ( {\dot \theta}^2 + \sin ^2 \theta {\dot \phi}^2 ) - mgR ## ## \cos \theta ##

Lagrange's equation of motion gives,
## \ddot \theta = \frac g R \sin {\theta} + \sin {\theta}~ \cos { \theta}~{ \dot \phi}^2 ##

At eqbm. ## \ddot \theta = 0 ##
## \theta = 0, \Pi , \cos {\theta} = \frac {-g} { \omega^2 R} ##

What to do next?
 
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Pushoam said:
What to do next?
Rewrite your equation of motion in terms of a small angular departure from equilibrium and see if you can bring the equation into the form of a harmonic oscillator.
Let ##\theta \rightarrow \theta_0+\alpha##, where ##\theta_0 = \arccos(-g/(\omega^2 R))## and expand the EOM for small values of ##\alpha##. Don't forget that ##\sin \theta \cos \theta = \sin(2\theta)/2##.
 
Where are you measuring ##\theta## from? If ##\theta=0## is supposed to be when the bead is at the bottom of the loop, then the sign of ##U## is wrong.
 
vela said:
Where are you measuring ##\theta## from? If ##\theta=0## is supposed to be when the bead is at the bottom of the loop, then the sign of ##U## is wrong.
It all makes sense if ##\theta## is measured from the top. Then the equilibrium angle is (as it should) below the horizontal diameter and its cosine is negative. U is zero when ##\theta = \pi/2##.
 
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Yeah, I know. It's just that most people use the convention that ##\theta=0## is the (stable) equilibrium position when the hoop isn't spinning. Thought it was worth making sure.
 
I solved it. Thank you all for the guidance.
 

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