Solving the Rotating Wire Problem

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The problem involves a circular wire hoop rotating with constant angular velocity about a vertical diameter, with a small bead moving along the hoop. The objective is to find the equilibrium position of the bead and calculate the frequency of small oscillations around this position.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem, including the choice of coordinates and the potential energy function. There are attempts to rewrite the equations of motion and explore small angular departures from equilibrium. Questions arise regarding the reference point for measuring the angle theta and the implications of different conventions on the potential energy.

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The discussion includes various interpretations of the angle measurement and its effect on the potential energy. Some participants provide guidance on how to approach the equations of motion, while others express concerns about the assumptions made regarding the reference point. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

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There are constraints related to the conventions used for measuring angles and potential energy, which are under discussion. The original poster's approach and assumptions are being examined critically by other participants.

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Homework Statement



A circular wire hoop rotates with constant angular velocity ! about a vertical diameter. A small bead moves, without friction, along the hoop. Find the equilibrium position of the particle and calculate the frequency of small oscillations about this position.

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Let's take our reference inertial frame as a spherical co-ordinate system whose axis is along the axis of rotation of the who and whose origin is at the centre of the hoop.
Then position of M can be given by r, ## \theta, \phi ##.
Constraint: r= R,
## \dot \phi = \omega ## , constant.
There are two generalised coordinates ## \phi ## and ## \theta ##.

L = T - U

## T = \frac 1 2 mR^2 ( {\dot \theta}^2 + \sin ^2 \theta {\dot \phi}^2) ##
Taking U = 0 at the origin, U = mgR ## \cos \theta ##
So, L = ## \frac 1 2 mR^2 ( {\dot \theta}^2 + \sin ^2 \theta {\dot \phi}^2 ) - mgR ## ## \cos \theta ##

Lagrange's equation of motion gives,
## \ddot \theta = \frac g R \sin {\theta} + \sin {\theta}~ \cos { \theta}~{ \dot \phi}^2 ##

At eqbm. ## \ddot \theta = 0 ##
## \theta = 0, \Pi , \cos {\theta} = \frac {-g} { \omega^2 R} ##

What to do next?
 
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Pushoam said:
What to do next?
Rewrite your equation of motion in terms of a small angular departure from equilibrium and see if you can bring the equation into the form of a harmonic oscillator.
Let ##\theta \rightarrow \theta_0+\alpha##, where ##\theta_0 = \arccos(-g/(\omega^2 R))## and expand the EOM for small values of ##\alpha##. Don't forget that ##\sin \theta \cos \theta = \sin(2\theta)/2##.
 
Where are you measuring ##\theta## from? If ##\theta=0## is supposed to be when the bead is at the bottom of the loop, then the sign of ##U## is wrong.
 
vela said:
Where are you measuring ##\theta## from? If ##\theta=0## is supposed to be when the bead is at the bottom of the loop, then the sign of ##U## is wrong.
It all makes sense if ##\theta## is measured from the top. Then the equilibrium angle is (as it should) below the horizontal diameter and its cosine is negative. U is zero when ##\theta = \pi/2##.
 
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Yeah, I know. It's just that most people use the convention that ##\theta=0## is the (stable) equilibrium position when the hoop isn't spinning. Thought it was worth making sure.
 
I solved it. Thank you all for the guidance.
 

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