Solving the Satellite Paradox: K+U=E

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The discussion revolves around the paradox of a satellite in a near circular orbit experiencing an increase in velocity when subjected to a drag force. The specific energy relationship K + U = E is introduced, where K represents specific kinetic energy, U is specific potential energy, and E is the total specific energy. The original poster seeks to understand the change in total energy (dE) when the orbital radius changes by a small amount (dr).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss taking derivatives with respect to orbital radius (r) and time (t) to analyze changes in total energy. There is uncertainty about the appropriateness of these approaches, particularly regarding the cancellation of terms when substituting values into equations. Questions arise about the dimensional consistency of the derived expressions.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to derive the change in total energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of derivatives, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the mathematical relationships involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating potential assumptions about the drag force and its impact on energy calculations, as well as the implications of dimensional analysis in their equations.

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{This paradox denotes the fact that a satellite in a near circular orbit suffers an increase in velocity when subject to a drag force.}

The Specific energy of the satellite is K + U = E where K =v^2/2 is specific kinetic energy. U= -u/r is specific energy and E is specific total energy. If satellite in circular orbit then u=(v^2)*r.

If orbital radius changes by a small amount dr, what is the resulting change dE of the total energy?

3. The Attempt at a Solution

What I figured to do is take derivative with respect to r but if I do that it will cancel out the distance completely when I plug in the u into the E equation. I I'm not sure if that's the approach I should take. Or should I take derivative with respect to time, because as time changes distance also changes. Not to sure...
 
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What I figured to do is take derivative with respect to r but if I do that it will cancel out the distance completely when I plug in the u into the E equation...

Can you show what you mean by this?
 
So if I take the derivative of the specific total energy E with respect to the distance value r something like this:

dE/dr = -[tex]\mu[/tex]/2r --> i plug in the value of [tex]\mu[/tex] = (v^2)*r

it turns into -(v^2)*r/2r the r will cancel in this case...(or maybe i should leave one alone and continue to eval the derivative...

The other case would be to take dE/dt to see the change in dr.
 
This is paradoxically true -- assuming the drag force is small, of course.

What is the total energy for a circular orbit as a function of orbital radius?
 
That is what I show up there its E=-[tex]\mu[/tex]/2r where [tex]\mu[/tex] = (v^2)r
 
If -μ/r has dimensions of energy, then how can dE/dr = -μ/2r? The dimensions don't match.
 
Ok then that would mean dE/dr wouldn't work so, it has to be dE/dt in order to get my answer; so in order to take the derivative with respect to time I would have to plug in v=d/t into the equation right...
 
dE/dr is the correct approach.
 
Okay thanks I got it
 

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