Solving the System of Equations for $a^2+b^2+c^2$

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving integers $a$, $b$, and $c$. The equations are $a^2b + b^2c + c^2a = 2186$ and $ab^2 + bc^2 + ca^2 = 2188$. Participants explore methods to evaluate $a^2 + b^2 + c^2$ based on these equations, including partial solutions and corrections to earlier claims.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if $x$ is the smallest of $a$, $b$, $c$, then $3x^3 \leq 2186$, and if $y$ is the largest, then $3y^3 \geq 2188$, leading to the conclusion that $x < 9$ and $y > 9$.
  • One participant suggests a guesswork approach where setting $a = b - 1$ and $c = b + 1$ leads to a solution $(a, b, c) = (8, 9, 10)$, yielding $a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = 245$.
  • Another participant acknowledges the guesswork method but emphasizes that it does not demonstrate the uniqueness of the solution.
  • Some participants correct earlier claims regarding the equations, pointing out a potential typo in the formulation of one of the equations, specifically regarding the placement of $a$ in the expression.
  • There is an exchange of appreciation for the efforts in checking solutions and pointing out typos, indicating a collaborative atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and uniqueness of the proposed solutions. While some agree on the approach taken, others highlight potential errors and uncertainties in the calculations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the uniqueness of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the solution derived from guesswork does not confirm uniqueness, and there are unresolved issues regarding the correctness of the equations presented, particularly concerning typos and their implications for the solutions.

anemone
Gold Member
MHB
POTW Director
Messages
3,851
Reaction score
115
$a,\,b,\,c$ are integers that satisfy the system of equations below:

$a^2b+b^2c+c^2a=2186$

$ab^2+bc^2+ca^2=2188$

Evaluate $a^2+b^2+c^2$.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
anemone said:
$a,\,b,\,c$ are integers that satisfy the system of equations below:

$a^2b+b^2c+c^2a=2186$

$ab^2+bc^2+ca^2=2188$

Evaluate $a^2+b^2+c^2$.
Partial solution:
[sp]If $x$ is the smallest of the three numbers $a,\,b,\,c$ then $3x^3 \leqslant 2186$. And if $y$ is the largest of the three numbers then $3y^3 \geqslant 2188$. Having seen that, I noticed that $3\cdot9^3 = 2187.$ It follows that $x<9$ and $y>9.$

The next step was pure guesswork. I noticed that if $a = b-1$ and $c=b+1$ then $$a^2b+b^2c+c^2a = (b-1)^2b + b^2(b+1) + (b+1)(b^2-1) = 3b^3 - 1,$$ $$ab^2+bc^2+ca^2 = (b-1)b^2 + b(b+1)^2 + (b^2-1)(b-1) = 3b^3+1.$$

It follows that $(a,b,c) = (8,9,10)$ is a solution, with $a^2+b^2+c^2 = 64+81+100 = 245.$

Of course, that can't count as a proper solution, because it relies on a lucky guess. More seriously, it does not show that the solution is unique.[/sp]
 
Opalg said:
Partial solution:
[sp]If $x$ is the smallest of the three numbers $a,\,b,\,c$ then $3x^3 \leqslant 2186$. And if $y$ is the largest of the three numbers then $3y^3 \geqslant 2188$. Having seen that, I noticed that $3\cdot9^3 = 2187.$ It follows that $x<9$ and $y>9.$

The next step was pure guesswork. I noticed that if $a = b-1$ and $c=b+1$ then $$a^2b+b^2c+c^2a = (b-1)^2b + b^2(b+1) + (b+1)(b^2-1) = 3b^3 - 1,$$ $$ab^2+bc^2+ca^2 = (b-1)b^2 + b(b+1)^2 + (b^2-1)(b-1) = 3b^3+1.$$

It follows that $(a,b,c) = (8,9,10)$ is a solution, with $a^2+b^2+c^2 = 64+81+100 = 245.$

Of course, that can't count as a proper solution, because it relies on a lucky guess. More seriously, it does not show that the solution is unique.[/sp]

Thank you Opalg for participating and also your solution, the educated guess is spot on!

Solution of other:

If we subtract the first equation from the second, we get:

$ab(b-a)+bc(c-b)+ac(a-c)=2$

Now setting $a=b$ turns the LHS into $a^2(a-a)+ac(c-a)+ac(a-c)$, which after simplifying equals to 0. This means $a-b$ is a factor of the LHS.

Similarly, $b-c$ and $c-a$ are also factors. Therefore we get the factored equation $(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)=2$.

Note that $(a-b)+(b-c)+(c-a)=0$, the ordered triplet $(a-b),\,(b-c),\,(c-a)$ must be a permutation of $(2,\,-1,\,-1)$. Without loss of generality, let

$a-b=-1$ and $c=a+2$.

This gives $b=a+1$. Substituting these values into the first equation gives

$a^2(a+1)+(a+1)^2(a+2)+(a+2)^2(a)=2186$

$a(a^2+3a+3)=2^3\cdot 7 \cdot 13$

and since $a$ is an integer, $a=8$ makes the equations true. Therefore $(a,\,b,\,c)=(8,\,9,\,10)$.

Since our WLOG will not affect the values of the triplet (but rather their order), the final answer is $a^2+b^2+c^2=8^2+9^2+10^2=245$.
 
Last edited:
anemone said:
Thank you Opalg for participating and also your solution, the educated guess is spot on!

Solution of other:

If we subtract the first equation from the second, we get:

$ab(b-a)+bc(c-b)+ac(a-c)=2$

Now setting $a=b$ turns the LHS into $a^2(a-a)+ac(c-a)+ac(a-c)$, which after simplifying equals to 0. This means $a-b$ is a factor of the LHS.

Similarly, $b-c$ and $c-a$ are also factors. Therefore we get the factored equation $(a-b)(b-c)(c-a)=2$.

Note that $(a-b)+(b-c)+(c-a)=0$, the ordered triplet $(a-b),\,(b-c),\,(c-a)$ must be a permutation of $(2,\,-1,\,-1)$. Without loss of generality, let

$a-b=-1$ and $c=a+2$.

This gives $b=a+1$. Substituting these values into the first equation gives

$a^2(a+1)+(a+1)^2(a+2)+(a+2)^2(a+1)=2186----(1)$

$a(a^2+3a+3)=2^3\cdot 7 \cdot 13$

and since $a$ is an integer, $a=8$ makes the equations true. Therefore $(a,\,b,\,c)=(8,\,9,\,10)$.

Since our WLOG will not affect the values of the triplet (but rather their order), the final answer is $a^2+b^2+c^2=8^2+9^2+10^2=245$.
$a^2(a+1)+(a+1)^2(a+2)+(a+2)^2(a+1)=2186----(1)$
$a=8$ then $(1)=2286\neq 2186$
 
Last edited:
Albert said:
$a^2(a+1)+(a+1)^2(a+2)+(a+2)^2(a+1)=2186--(1)$
if $a=8$ then $(1)=2286\neq 2186$
there must have a typo in this answer here it is: (1) sould be : $a^2(a+1)+(a+1)^2(a+2)+(a+2)^2a=2186----(1)$
sorry It seemed to be a little bit picky. it is my habit to check the answer to make sure it is correct
 
Last edited:
Albert said:
there must have a typo in this answer here it is: (1) sould be : $a^2(a+1)+(a+1)^2(a+2)+(a+2)^2a=2186----(1)$
sorry It seemed to be a little bit picky. it is my habit to check the answer to make sure it is correct

Hey Albert, please don't worry about pointing out the typo(s) that I've made because not only I won't upset about it, I actually appreciate your effort (and willingness) to check my solution!

Thank you Albert and I will edit my solution so that the solution is perfect now! :o
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
1K