Solving these Simultaneous Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of simultaneous equations involving variables x and y, with parameters a, b, and c. Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including algebraic manipulation and matrix techniques.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations directly and questions whether certain conclusions about the relationships between the variables can be drawn. Other participants suggest using matrix methods, including the inverse of a matrix and Cramer's Rule, to find solutions.

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Participants are exploring different methods to solve the equations, with some providing algebraic approaches while others introduce matrix techniques. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but various strategies are being discussed.

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Some participants question the assumptions made in the original poster's manipulations, particularly regarding the validity of certain conclusions drawn from the equations. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and methods without resolving the problem definitively.

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Homework Statement
(a+b)x + cy = bc
(b+c)y + ax = -ab
Relevant Equations
x - y = a + c

Answer:
x = c
y = -a
Hi everyone

Could someone please help with the above equation?

Here is the working for my attempt

ax + bx + cy = bc
by + cy + ax = -ab

ax + bx + cy = bc
by + cy + ax = -ab

b(x-y) = b(a + c)
x - y = a + c

a^2 + ac + ay + ab + bc + by + cy = bc
a+2 + ac + ay + by + by = -ab

b(a+c) = bc + ab
0 = 0

Is it correct to conclude from this that bc = -ab, and that c = -a?

If so, can I substitute that into
y (a + b + c) = -ab

to get y = -a?

The correct answer is x=c and y =-a, which fits into the above equations

Thanks
 
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(a+b)x + cy = bc
ax + (b+c)y = -aba(a+b)x + acy = abc
a(a+b)x + (a+b)(b+c)y = -ab(a+b)Subtracting the both sides we can delete x to get y
[(a+b)(b+c)- ac]y = -ab(a+b)-abc
y = \frac{-ab(a+b)-abc}{(a+b)(b+c)- ac}=...
 
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A somewhat simpler way to solve this system, and possibly the technique the authors of the problem had in mind, is to use the inverse of the given matrix.
The inverse of the 2x2 matrix ##A = \begin{bmatrix} a & b \\ c & d \end{bmatrix}## is ##A^{-1} = \frac 1 {det(A)}\begin{bmatrix} d & -b \\ -c & a\end{bmatrix}##.

The determinant of A is ##det(A) = ad - bc##. As long as ##ad - bc \ne 0##, the matrix is invertible; i.e., the inverse of A exists.

For this problem, ##A = \begin{bmatrix} a + b & -c \\ -a & a + b \end{bmatrix}##

To solve the matrix equation ##A\begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} bc \\ -ab \end{bmatrix}##, apply the inverse, ##A^{-1}##, to both sides of the matrix equation above to obtain the solution ##\begin{bmatrix} x \\ y \end{bmatrix}##.
 
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