Undergrad Can De Moivre's Theorem Simplify Solving Complex Polynomial Equations?

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The discussion centers on the equation involving a rational function rather than a polynomial, which complicates the use of De Moivre's Theorem. It is noted that for certain values of the constant 'a', the equation can simplify, allowing for the possibility of finding solutions analytically. Specifically, if a = 1 and P ≠ 1, there are no solutions, while if a = 1 and P = 1, there are infinitely many solutions. For other values of 'a', solving the quintic equation typically requires numerical methods, as analytical solutions are not feasible. The conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing the nature of the function when attempting to solve for 'r'.
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I want to keep this question conceptual and qualitative (for now).
I have the following polynomial

$$\frac{(ar-1)(ar-2)(ar-3)(ar-4)(ar-5)}{(r-1)(r-2)(r-3)(r-4)(r-5)} = P$$
where r is the variable I'd like to solve for and P, a are just real constants.

I was wondering whether or not I could use De Moivre's Theorem here. Is there an easier way I can go about solving for r?
 
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iScience said:
I want to keep this question conceptual and qualitative (for now).
I have the following polynomial

$$\frac{(ar-1)(ar-2)(ar-3)(ar-4)(ar-5)}{(r-1)(r-2)(r-3)(r-4)(r-5)} = P$$
where r is the variable I'd like to solve for and P, a are just real constants.

I was wondering whether or not I could use De Moivre's Theorem here. Is there an easier way I can go about solving for r?
First off, that's not a polynomial, which generally looks like this: ##a_nx^n + a_{n - 1}x^{n - 1} + \dots + a_2x^2 + a_1x + a_0##.
Your function is a rational function, the quotient of two polynomials. In your case, both the numerator and denominator are fifth-degree polynomials.

Regarding your question, I don't think it's possible to solve algebraically for r in the equation you posted, although you can possibly find an approximate solution using some numerical technique.

I don't see how de Moivre's Theorem is even applicable here...
 
iScience said:
I want to keep this question conceptual and qualitative (for now).
I have the following polynomial

$$\frac{(ar-1)(ar-2)(ar-3)(ar-4)(ar-5)}{(r-1)(r-2)(r-3)(r-4)(r-5)} = P$$
where r is the variable I'd like to solve for and P, a are just real constants.

I was wondering whether or not I could use De Moivre's Theorem here. Is there an easier way I can go about solving for r?

There are special cases to consider.

If a = 1 and P \neq 1 there are no solutions. If a =1 and P = 1 there are infinitely many solutions.

If a \in \{2,3,4,5\} then linear factors can be canceled from numerator and denominator. This reduces the problem to solving a polynomial which is of no higher degree than 4; this can always be done analytically.

For all other values of a you will have to solve a quintic, and in general it is not possible to solve quintics analytically. But the case P = 0 is trivial, as your quintic is then already factored.
 
Is there a numerical method to solve something like this?
 
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