Solving y''+3iy'+y=cos(2t) with Undetermined Coefficients

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation y''+3iy'+y=cos(2t) using the method of undetermined coefficients. Participants explore various approaches and techniques for finding a particular solution, considering the implications of complex coefficients.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes guessing a solution of the form y=Ae^{2it} and calculates A=-1/9, but finds that this approach does not yield a valid solution upon verification.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative guess of y=A exp(2it) + B exp(-2it) and relates it to the expression for cos(2t) using Euler's formula.
  • A third participant recommends using a particular solution of the form y_p=A cos(2t) + B sin(2t), asserting that the algebra remains consistent even with complex coefficients.
  • One participant emphasizes that the presence of complex coefficients should not deter the use of standard algebraic techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing approaches to solve the differential equation, indicating that there is no consensus on the best method or the validity of the initial guess.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the impact of the imaginary coefficient in the differential equation and its effect on the solution process. There are unresolved aspects related to the verification of the proposed solutions.

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If I wanted to solve this [itex]y''+3iy'+y=cos(2t)[/itex] using undetermined coefficients.
and I make the guess [itex]y=Ae^{2it}[/itex]
then i find y' and y'' and then solve for A. I get that A=-1/9
then I take the real part when I multiply it to Eulers formula.
But when I plug this back into check it doesn't work.
Is there something weird going on because I have an imaginary coefficient in front of the y'.
 
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cragar said:
If I wanted to solve this [itex]y''+3iy'+y=cos(2t)[/itex] using undetermined coefficients.
and I make the guess [itex]y=Ae^{2it}[/itex]
then i find y' and y'' and then solve for A. I get that A=-1/9
then I take the real part when I multiply it to Eulers formula.
But when I plug this back into check it doesn't work.
Is there something weird going on because I have an imaginary coefficient in front of the y'.

Better, try : y = A exp(2it) +B exp(-2it)
with cos(2t) = (1/2)exp(2it) + (1/2)exp(-2it)
 
How about even more better:

[tex]y_p=A\cos(2t)+B\sin(2t)[/tex]

slap it in (the DE), equate coefficients, bingo-bango.

Also, nothing (algebraic) changes if not only the coefficients are complex but everything else like y and x are complex too. So don't let the i thing intimiate you. Just use regular ordinary complex arithemetic and muscle-through the algebra like always.
 
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okay thanks for the advice
 

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