Some music pieces same/similar from the same artist

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The discussion revolves around the observation that some music pieces from the same artist appear to be essentially the same but are released under different titles. Participants explore examples and draw parallels with other forms of artistic repetition, including literature.

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  • Some participants note that certain music pieces, like "Spudnik" and "Surf Rider" by Nokie Edwards and the Ventures, seem to be the same song with different names.
  • Another example mentioned is "Fatback," "Ace of Spades," and "Vernon's Diamond" by Link Wray, with a clarification that it is not the "Ace of Spades" by Motorhead.
  • One participant suggests that Lady Gaga's subsequent hits sound very similar to "Poker Face."
  • There are references to authors, such as Kurt Vonnegut and Jack Chalker, who are said to have repeated themes or plots across their works, with some participants arguing this is common among many artists.
  • Another participant mentions Spider Robinson's writing style, noting a recurring pattern in his narratives that can be perceived as repetitive.
  • One participant adds "popin' popeye" to the list of songs that seem similar to the previously mentioned tracks.
  • A later post provides a link to further information about the naming of music pieces, suggesting that the reasons for different titles may be arbitrary.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the repetition of themes in music and literature, with no consensus on whether this is a negative or positive trait. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of such repetitions in artistic works.

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Some claims rely on subjective interpretations of music and literature, and the discussion includes references to specific artists and works that may not be universally recognized or agreed upon.

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A better forum for this should be in an entirely different one, not PF, but dedicated to music.

Some pieces of music with different titles but from the same artist seem essentially the same music/or song but just different names. I believe I found two examples:

Spudnik, and Surf Rider (Nokie Edwards, and the Ventures?). The original was Spudnik, and later when a saxophone was included, it seemed to be named Surf Rider.

Fatback, and Ace of Spades, and Vernon's Diamond. and-forgot-the-other-name. Link Wray. NOT the one (Ace of Spades) by Motorhead, which is way completely different.

I'll come back to edit this when I find that other name.
 
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PG Wodehouse once wrote a short story about a golf game twice. Same plot, same characters, just superficial change.

An ice hockey goalie who had a tumor that caused him to produce female hormones wrote the same book twice.

I have been told that Jack Chalker wrote the same book many times.

Whenever I see any author with sixty books lined up I figure that they are all the same. That's the only way you can write that fast.
 
symbolipoint said:
A better forum for this should be in an entirely different once, not PF, but dedicated to music.

Some pieces of music with different titles but from the same artist seem essentially the same music/or song but just different names. I believe I found two examples:

Spudnik, and Surf Rider (Nokie Edwards, and the Ventures?). The original was Spudnik, and later when a saxophone was included, it seemed to be named Surf Rider.

Fatback, and Ace of Spades, and Vernon's Diamond. and-forgot-the-other-name. Link Wray. NOT the one (Ace of Spades) by Motorhead, which is way completely different.

I'll come back to edit this when I find that other name.
Lady Ga Ga. Had a big hit with "Poker face." Subsequent hit sounded very similar.
 
It could be argued that Kurt Vonnegut (fellow midwesterner and Cornellian and a personal hero) wrote the same book again and again. While certainly not literally true, I think it may be the norm for many great artists.
 
hutchphd said:
It could be argued that Kurt Vonnegut (fellow midwesterner and Cornellian and a personal hero) wrote the same book again and again. While certainly not literally true, I think it may be the norm for many great artists.
He certainly used the same phrase over and over.
"So it goes" 106 times in Slaughter house 5.
 
Hornbein said:
I have been told that Jack Chalker wrote the same book many times.
I don't recall that (read much Chalker many moons ago), but I'd nominate John Grisham.

Or, Spider Robinson : I swear the last 20 pages of almost every book, I'm thinking "Is this a two-parter?", then he segues into "and then they all got stoned, mind melded and saved the world". Sortof annoying since they're otherwise quite edible with a decent tempo.
 
symbolipoint said:
Fatback, and Ace of Spades, and Vernon's Diamond. and-forgot-the-other-name. Link Wray. NOT the one (Ace of Spades) by Motorhead, which is way completely different.
Add to that "popin' popeye", also seems to be the same as those other three.
 
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I found a bit of further information on this. This link tells a little of how or why different names for the same or nearly same pieces of music: https://recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/10759
Not clear is what determined these different names other than what seem like whim.
 

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