Some probabilities in card game

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the expected value of winnings in a card game involving two cards dealt consecutively. Participants explore different cases and probabilities related to the outcomes of the second card being a club or not, and the implications of the first card dealt.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation method using probabilities for different cases, concluding with a mean value of 5.76 cents.
  • Another participant acknowledges their reasoning as flawed but arrives at a similar mean value of 5.77 cents, indicating confusion about their TA's feedback.
  • Some participants suggest that the TA may have misunderstood the ordering of the cards, as they arrive at similar results despite differing reasoning.
  • There is a mention of specific probabilities for the second card being a club and the conditions under which money changes hands, with various calculations presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculated mean values being close to each other, but there is disagreement regarding the correctness of the reasoning and the TA's assessment of it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the different approaches taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made in their calculations and the implications of the order of the cards dealt. There are also references to specific probabilities that may depend on interpretations of the game's rules.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in probability theory, game theory, or those studying card games and expected value calculations may find this discussion relevant.

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[tex]\sum[/tex]The question is:
You are involove in a game where two card are dealt consectively. Supposethat the dealer pays you $3of the second card dealt is a club, regardless of the first card and that you pay him $1 if the second card in not a club and the first card is not an ace. (othewise, no money changes hands.) Use [tex]\sum[/tex][tex]f_{i}[/tex][tex]p_{i}[/tex] to compute the mean value of the money you win per game if you play it many time.

The ans is 5.8cent

I have spent a lot of time on that, but i still don't understand.
 
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List all different cases and probabilities

Second card a club - p1=1/4

Second card not a club and not an ace 36/52, first card not an ace 47/51
P2=9x47/(13x51)

Second card not a club and an ace 3/52, first card not an ace 48/51
p3=3x16/(52x17)

payoff= 3p1 - (p2+p3)

I got 5.76 cents.
 
Thanks for answering me!
The following is wrong reasoning,but i still can caculate the answers

second card a club- p1=1/4

First card not a club and not an ace 36/52, second card not a club 38/51
p2=(36X38)/(51X52)

First card is a club and not an ace 12/52 , second card not a club 39/51
p3=12x52/(39/51)

mean = 3p1-(p2+p3) =5.77

My course TA told me it was wrong reasoning, frustrate me a lot.
 
Off hand I would say your TA is wrong.
 
I get the same answer, .0576(9) taking the first card first, and the second card dependent. Perhaps the TA didn't understand the ordering you used?
 
I can't read your TA's mind. Why don't you ask him (or her)?
 
I think you've confused me with the OP, mathman. No problem.
 

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