Some questions about applying to graduate school

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The discussion revolves around the challenges and considerations of applying to graduate school in physics, particularly from the perspective of an undergraduate student seeking advice on various application-related questions. Topics include academic performance, application fees, the importance of standardized tests, and the implications of research experience.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether taking an advanced mathematics class for credit and potentially receiving a B would be viewed negatively by admissions committees compared to taking it pass/fail.
  • Concerns are raised about whether to include a publication in mathematics on applications, considering its implications on research persistence.
  • Another participant discusses the difficulty of obtaining application fee waivers and shares an estimate of total costs associated with applying to graduate schools.
  • There is a discussion about the average number of schools to which students apply, with one participant sharing their experience of applying to 15 schools and only gaining admission to one.
  • Questions arise regarding the norm of visiting accepted schools and how to balance visits with academic responsibilities in the final undergraduate semesters.
  • The significance of the physics GRE (pGRE) is debated, with one participant noting the disparity between their school's scores and those of applicants from other institutions.
  • A participant suggests that the issue may not be the GRE score itself but rather the preparation provided by the undergraduate institution.
  • Another participant expresses frustration about the curriculum structure at their school, which limits their ability to take advanced classes before the pGRE.
  • Concerns are raised about the timing of requesting letters of recommendation from mentors, with suggestions to approach them while still fresh in their memory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of the pGRE and the adequacy of their undergraduate preparation for graduate school. There is no consensus on the best approach to application strategies or the implications of academic choices.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their undergraduate programs, including curriculum structure and timing of advanced courses, which may affect their preparation for graduate school applications. There is also uncertainty regarding the impact of individual experiences on admissions outcomes.

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Hello all,

I realize I may be a bit early for this, but I don't want to screw it up. I'm a junior in undergrad (physics major), and I'd like to begin thinking about graduate school. Usually only one or two graduates from my physics department go on to graduate school, so when I ask my advisors these questions, I typically get an "I don't know". I've been looking around on this forum as well as other physics forums, and been looking at the Applicant Profile threads on physics-gre.com. Anyway, I have a 4.0 GPA, some research experience (3 publications, 1 in phys rev A), and I'm a Goldwater scholar (and a female, if that matters), so I'd like to think I stand a chance at getting into grad school. Anyway, I have the following questions:

  • For an advanced mathematics class, would an admissions person rather see that I took it pass/fail or should I risk taking it for credit and getting a B?
  • I have a publication in mathematics in an undergraduate research journal from doing math research for a semester. Should I include it on my applications even though it may imply that I give up easily on research projects? (I don't - I found out I couldn't get a math degree so I stopped doing math research)
  • How difficult is it to get an application fee waiver? (my FAFSA information is based on my parents' income, but I am not financially dependent on them)
  • How many graduate schools does the average person apply to? (I have a friend who recently applied to fourteen, and got into only one - I don't want to end up like him)
  • Is it normal to visit places you've been accepted to? If so, how do you juggle visiting places and the workload present in the last few semesters of undergrad?
  • How important is the pGRE? No one at my school has ever gotten above a 715. And I'm looking at the forums and noticing that people are getting 900+ scores and still not getting in anywhere.
  • I am doing an internship this summer at FNAL. I would like to ask my mentor for a LoR but I'm afraid that he will forget about me by the time I go to apply to grad school.
 
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samnorris93 said:
[*] How difficult is it to get an application fee waiver? (my FAFSA information is based on my parents' income, but I am not financially dependent on them)
[*] How many graduate schools does the average person apply to? (I have a friend who recently applied to fourteen, and got into only one - I don't want to end up like him)
[*] Is it normal to visit places you've been accepted to? If so, how do you juggle visiting places and the workload present in the last few semesters of undergrad?
[*] How important is the pGRE? No one at my school has ever gotten above a 715. And I'm looking at the forums and noticing that people are getting 900+ scores and still not getting in anywhere.
[*] I am doing an internship this summer at FNAL. I would like to ask my mentor for a LoR but I'm afraid that he will forget about me by the time I go to apply to grad school.
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-Not very likely, I would start saving up ASAP for all the fees, exams, and extra score reports you'll have to get. I'd expect to spend anywhere between $2000-4000 in total (probably on the low end side, since you probably aren't taking the TOEFL nor need as many as 15 applications if you pick your schools with some care).
-Americans with good grades, probably under 5-8. Everyone else 10 and above, I applied to 15.
-Yes. No idea on the 2nd part, as I had already graduated when I visited, but people manage to do it.
-Very, but its relevance is heavily dependent on which school/dept. you apply to. You must've noticed that many of the 990 folks at that forum are applying to fields that are going through budget cuts like HEP and apply almost exclusively to top schools that get 10-15x more applications than spots available. A good fraction also happen to be internationals, which hurts their chances.

Maybe you could be the one at your dept. to one-up that number? I'm the first in my dept. (abroad) to go to a US grad school in several years, and my PGRE score wasn't even that great. Spend months preparing and take the latest practice exam in a realistic scenario ASAP to diagnose where you're at, then hit the problem books like there is no tomorrow. Your priority should be PGRE-prep for the coming 5-6 months. I would put off research completely now, especially since you already have more than enough experience, and no additional experience will help you if you do poorly on the PGRE.

Everything is pulled from Halliday Resnick, to a lesser extent some of Griffiths' books, except the problems are less quantitative and more conceptual. To work on speed (which is 99% of what the PGRE is about), try a book like REA's physics problem solver. And as much as it jives with the teaching philosophy in physics, you better know your equations cold, do not even think about deriving them during the PGRE. As far as you're concerned, r x p ~ hbar.

Do worry too much about the pgre samples from the 80's and 90's, they are very different from the ones being administered now. You'd be better off retaking the latest PGRE sample exam once every month or two under test conditions and you'll get more out of it.

-Ask your mentor about it now, maybe even ask him to write the letter for you while you're still fresh in his memory
 
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samnorris93 said:
[*] How important is the pGRE? No one at my school has ever gotten above a 715.

The problem is not the GRE score. The problem is that your school is not adequately preparing their students for graduate school. Don't confuse cause and effect.

I think you need to think about what your long-term goals are, and whether the school you attend is helping you achieve them or not.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
The problem is not the GRE score. The problem is that your school is not adequately preparing their students for graduate school. Don't confuse cause and effect.

I think you need to think about what your long-term goals are, and whether the school you attend is helping you achieve them or not.

If you are insinuating that I should change undergraduate schools, that is simply not an option for me. I strongly regret going here even though I was accepted to a Big Ten school after high school, but now I have a full ride scholarship and it simply would not make financial sense to go to a different university.

In addition, I do not think the issue is that my school doesn't prepare me for graduate schools, since in the past decade or so we have had two people go on to Ivy League schools and do very well. However, the way that our curriculum is formatted, you do not take many advanced classes (E&M 2, QM 2, etc.) until your last semester, the one after the pGRE. In addition, the way our curriculum is set up, in order to take Mechanics II, I would have had to take it before Mechanics I, so it simply is not an option for me to take.
 

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