Someone please explain this Sun Phenomenon

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of how images of the sun are formed through a pinhole, particularly in the context of a video demonstrating this effect. Participants explore the mechanics of light projection, the shape of the resulting image, and the implications of varying hole sizes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the image on the wall is an image of the sun and not of the hole itself, emphasizing that the shape of the image is determined by the sun's shape.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of using a larger hole, suggesting that it acts as many small holes, which would create a central bright region and a darker annulus, raising questions about the size of this annulus.
  • A participant reflects on the mechanics of light and questions whether ignoring light bouncing off objects would change the image from a circle to a square.
  • Another participant counters that the shape of the image is not influenced by light bouncing, explaining that the sun's angular size affects the image size and shape, and that a larger hole results in multiple overlapping images of the sun.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of light bouncing and the implications of hole size on the image produced. There is no consensus on whether ignoring certain factors would change the shape of the image.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of light and the geometry of the pinhole camera effect, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon by all participants.

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It's not a "Sun Phenomenon".

The hole is acting as a pin hole camera. So as the man says in the video the image on the wall is an image of the sun NOT an image of the hole. If the sun were square the image on the wall would be square regardless of the shape of the hole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinhole_camera
 
You know about pinhole cameras, right? So with a really tiny hole, what shape would you expect to see? What would determine the size of it? Now think of a slightly larger hole as many small holes. Each will make an image like the single small hole case, but they won't overlap perfectly. There will be a central bright region, where they do overlap, and a progressively darker annulus. What will determine the size of the annulus? Under what circumstances will the new image, including annulus, be only slightly larger than the original?
 
After doing more research I understood how it worked. I understand that the light comes from many different angles and then forms an upside down image. However, in that video, what if we ignore the fact that light from the sun can bounce off objects? Then, the image would just be a square instead of a circle, right?
 
tahayassen said:
what if we ignore the fact that light from the sun can bounce off objects? Then, the image would just be a square instead of a circle, right?
It's nothing to do with the light bouncing.
The sun's disc subtends an angle of about half a degree at the Earth, or 0.01 radians. If a card with a pinhole is 0.5m from its shadow, the sun's image will be about 5mm across. If you make the hole bigger, the effect is to superimpose multiple sun images. The centres of the images will map out exactly the same shape and size as the hole. So if the hole is less than 3mm across you will still see an almost circular image, and only a little larger.
 

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