Something every Mechanical Engineer should watch

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The discussion revolves around insights and lessons learned by mechanical engineers during their education and early careers, with a focus on the importance of practical experience, safety factors in engineering design, and the differences between academic and professional project expectations.

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  • Some participants emphasize the significance of practical experience in engineering education, suggesting that hands-on projects enhance understanding of theoretical concepts.
  • One participant critiques the application of safety factors in engineering, referencing the Challenger disaster to illustrate that a safety factor does not guarantee safety if underlying issues are ignored.
  • Another participant notes the shift in focus from project quality to project speed in professional settings compared to academic environments.
  • There are anecdotes shared about dedication and problem-solving in engineering roles, highlighting the commitment required to succeed in the field.
  • Some participants express interest in the lessons learned from university experiences and the transition to professional engineering work.

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Participants generally share a common appreciation for practical experience, but there are differing views on the interpretation of safety factors and the implications of project management in professional settings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approaches to these issues.

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Participants reference specific examples and experiences that may not be universally applicable, and there are assumptions about the relevance of safety factors that are not fully explored.

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Mechanical engineering students, early-career engineers, educators in engineering fields, and professionals interested in the practical applications of engineering principles.

Rx7man
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Here's a great video of what one guy has to say about what he learned at university.. He really hits the nail on the head..
My favourite point is with "safety factors".. If something failed under normal use, it's not because you chose a 1.2 safety factor instead of a 1.5 safety factor, it's because you neglected to account for something.

 
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Thanks @Rx7man -- good find.

My favorite part of the video is his last point about "There is no substitute for practical experience". I'd modify that slightly to say that it includes building electronics kits for EE students, and building mechanical prototypes (including with the great new low cost 3-D printers) for ME students. I've found that building and debugging real devices helps you so much to learn to ask the right questions when taking theory classes. That was one of the most important things that helped me in undergrad.

My summer job between my junior and senior years with Tektronix in Oregon was huge as well, but the electronics kits and projects I did on the side were an amazing help with my schoolwork learning in Uni. :smile:

I'd be interested in hearing about the important lessons learned by others in University and starting your work in engineering...
 
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Reminds me of how R.P. Feynman put it in appendix F of the Roger's commission report on the Challenger spacecraft loss.
Instead of being very concerned that variations of poorly understood conditions might reasonably create a deeper erosion this time, it was asserted, there was "a safety factor of three." This is a strange use of the engineer's term ,"safety factor."

If a bridge is built to withstand a certain load without the beams permanently deforming, cracking, or breaking, it may be designed for the materials used to actually stand up under three times the load. This "safety factor" is to allow for uncertain excesses of load, or unknown extra loads, or weaknesses in the material that might have unexpected flaws, etc. If now the expected load comes on to the new bridge and a crack appears in a beam, this is a failure of the design. There was no safety factor at all; even though the bridge did not actually collapse because the crack went only one-third of the way through the beam.

The O-rings of the Solid Rocket Boosters were not designed to erode. Erosion was a clue that something was wrong. Erosion was not something from which safety can be inferred.

IMO, appendix F is a fine example of how a scientist thinks, and ought to be required reading.
 
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I also liked his point that in school, it doesn't matter how many hours it takes you to do your project, as long as the project works, you're graded on how well it works, while as soon as you leave school, you find out that much more emphasis is placed on how fast you can finish the project in a fashion that it works acceptably well, even if it is a little shy of perfection.

About the 10,000 hours to master a trade, while I do think that's a great guideline, there's something that is overlooked when you really want an expert in a field.. that would be that they eat, sleep, and breathe their trade... evenings and weekends, their thoughts don't go to a holiday in Maui, their thoughts go to how to find a solution to a complex problem.

I worked at a packaging company, and the owner of the company was one such person.. 30 years in the business, 70 hours a week at the shop.. EVERY WEEK.. He was an uncannily sound sleeper, with his bedroom window open, the house across the street burnt down, fire trucks etc.. he didn't wake up (I wish I could sleep like that).. But in the middle of the night, he'd wake up with a "EUREKA" moment, open up his laptop and start drawing up parts. I enjoyed working with him because he showed dedication.. He wasn't golfing when there was a deadline, he was on the shop floor pulling wrenches like everyone else... Spent many a night (making for 24 hour workdays) when a machine didn't run and the customer was flying into look at it in the morning.. and in desperation, together we solved a lot of problems.
Here is one of the machines that cause the engineering department a lot of grief, and they were about to throw a $250,000 machine in the garbage... In the end, with dedication and stick-to-itiveness, I got it running properly (how do you glue wax together??)

I'll read that Appendix F in its entirety in a bit.. the first page has some golden nuggets already!
 
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Asymptotic said:
Reminds me of how R.P. Feynman put it in appendix F of the Roger's commission report on the Challenger spacecraft loss.IMO, appendix F is a fine example of how a scientist thinks, and ought to be required reading.
I just finished reading it... It really makes it look like NASA is based in Russia!.. Is it going to make it? Well.. it might.. Good enough, let's have a drink and fire it off!
 

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