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The discussion revolves around the music of Aaron Copland, particularly his compositions such as "Appalachian Spring," "Rodeo," and "Fanfare for the Common Man." Participants express varying opinions on Copland's significance as an American composer, the appeal of his music, and its association with commercial use. The conversation includes personal anecdotes related to musical experiences and performances.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express strong admiration for Copland, citing pieces like "Appalachian Spring" and "Fanfare for the Common Man" as favorites.
  • Others argue that Copland's music is overly commercial and lacks depth, suggesting that it is more suited for advertisements than serious listening.
  • A few participants propose that other American composers, such as Gershwin, are superior to Copland.
  • There are corrections regarding the spelling of Copland's name, with some participants humorously engaging in this miscommunication.
  • Several participants share personal experiences related to playing Copland's music in school bands, indicating a nostalgic connection to his works.
  • One participant humorously claims that rap is the only true music, contrasting with the classical focus of the discussion.
  • Some express confusion over the correct name of the composer, mixing it up with other figures like Kenneth Copeland.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus on Copland's music, with multiple competing views remaining. Some express strong support for his work, while others criticize it, leading to an ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the subjective nature of musical taste and the influence of commercialism on perceptions of Copland's music. Participants also reference personal experiences that may shape their opinions.

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This discussion may be of interest to those who appreciate classical music, particularly American composers, as well as individuals involved in music education or performance.

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The thread was locked down before I could post in it. Amongst QT's temper tantrums a sideline was talking about Aaron Copland...

I have to side with Jelfish and say that you guys that are "lernt" in classical music are not so "lernt" if you think Aaron Copland stinks. Take it back right now. I may have a tantrum myself.

Appalachian Spring (one of my all time favorites), Rodeo (the beef commercials' theme music), Lincoln Portrait (with Gregory Peck narrorating), Fanfare for the Common Man,...He is one of the most famous American composers you dolts.

There. I said it.
 
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FredGarvin said:
He is one of the most famous American composers

Yeah. Very easy to listen to. Perfect for commercials.



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Chi Meson said:
Yeah. Very easy to listen to. Perfect for commercials.
:devil: bait:devil: bait:devil:bait :devil:
Your bait's not good enough! :biggrin:
 
Emerson, Lake & Palmer's Rodeo suite is awesome!
 
I suppose its good...if you lack taste... you want a good american composer, then pick gershwin for gods sake. Chi sums it up best, leave it for the dogs... I mean commercials...
 
Sounds like fred is going to make you all food for that machine of his in his avatar:rolleyes:
 
cyrusabdollahi said:
I suppose its good...if you lack taste... you want a good american composer, then pick gershwin for gods sake. Chi sums it up best, leave it for the dogs... I mean commercials...

hah They're not even in the same genre! That's like saying "Wagner sucks - if you want real to listen to a real German composer, pick up Bach."

I think you, dear cyrus, lack taste.
 
I thought it was Aaron Copeland. :confused:

And yes, he is very good.
 
I dislike Copeland.
 
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Rap is the only true music in this world.
 
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JasonRox said:
I thought it was Aaron Copeland. :confused:
If that's a response to my post, I was referring to ELP's 'Trilogy' album, which features electronic arrangements of Copeland's music. Check it out.
 
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Aaron Copland is the composer. Kenneth Copeland is a televangelist. There's also a Copeland coorporation, which makes air conditioners.
 
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Some people's kids...
 
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I concur with Fred - I love Copland's music, especially "Appalacian Spring" and "Fanfare for the Common Man", and I concur with Danger, EL&P did a great adaptation of 'Rodeo', as well as "Fanfare for the Common Man".
 
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rachmaninoff said:
Aaron Copland is the composer. Kenneth Copeland is a televangelist. There's also a Copeland coorporation, which makes air conditioners.
I dislike Aaron Copland's music.
 
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Why do you all insist on mispelling his name? If this is a joke I'm not getting it. :confused:

edit: I wasn't referring to zoob.
 
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We just wanted to see if you'd notice. There were some bets going on backstage through PM's. :biggrin:
 
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I like Copland. It was amazing to see that Stallone can actually act.

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Oh, Copeland! He was a great drummer. I wonder if he talks with Sting anymore?
 
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Aahahaha, I am listening to fanfair right now. In the back of my mind, I can picture a lumberjack saying, "I like to be tough...and nothing is tougher than dougs smoked sauages...." ahahahha.... (It would be good if every damn commercial did not slap this music on it and pass off their crap as a 'good commercial'). This is more like made for tv movie, sound track kind of stuff...its no mozart, no bach...you get my point...its nothing special .
 
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FredGarvin said:
The thread was locked down before I could post in it. Amongst QT's temper tantrums a sideline was talking about Aaron Copland...

I have to side with Jelfish and say that you guys that are "lernt" in classical music are not so "lernt" if you think Aaron Copland stinks. Take it back right now. I may have a tantrum myself.

Appalachian Spring (one of my all time favorites), Rodeo (the beef commercials' theme music), Lincoln Portrait (with Gregory Peck narrorating), Fanfare for the Common Man,...He is one of the most famous American composers you dolts.

There. I said it.
I played trumpet in high school and one year for marching band (yes, I was one of "them") we did an American theme - which, of course, was heavily weighted toward Copeland: Appalachian Spring and Rodeo. But Fanfare for the Common Man (short as it is...) is just awesome.
 
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ughhhhhhhhhh...not you too russ! Whats with all this copland support? :frown: I guess you all have been jaded by too many baked bean commercials touting his music around...
 
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Chi Meson said:
I like Copland. It was amazing to see that Stallone can actually act.

Edit:

Oh, Copeland! He was a great drummer. I wonder if he talks with Sting anymore?
lol, I never realized you could be such a jerk. I'm impressed.
 
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russ_watters said:
I played trumpet in high school and one year for marching band (yes, I was one of "them") we did an American theme - which, of course, was heavily weighted toward Copeland: Appalachian Spring and Rodeo. But Fanfare for the Common Man (short as it is...) is just awesome.
Wholey crap! I too was a band-f**. Played trumpet too. I did the trifecta, marching, jazz and symphony. We did Appalacian Spring in both marching and symphony. I am getting the feeling that it was a lot more popular to play than I thought. Damn it's a small world sometimes.
 
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tribdog said:
lol, I never realized you could be such a jerk. I'm impressed.
I guess it's time to scale back a bit.

I've nothing against Copland.

About 15 years ago, I saw the Martha Graham company perform Appalachian Spring, and I enjoyed it.

still, I don't go out of my way to listen to Copland, but I also don't eschew his music. The baiting was fun though.
:-p
 
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tribdog approves, better scale back.
If I cared I'd be offended. lol just kidding
 
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russ_waters said:
I played trumpet in high school and one year for marching band
FredGarvin said:
Wholey crap! I too was a band-f**. Played trumpet too. I did the trifecta, marching, jazz and symphony.

The All-Star PF Orchestra[/color] is gaining momentum. I've played trombone since grade school. I've performed in college; jazz, concert, dixieland and of course marching bands. I'm sure we played Fanfare for Common Man. I always get chills when I hear those lush chords towards the end. (if you're not a musician, you won't know the emotional intensity performing in ensemble and hearing not only your contribution but all the other instruments surrounding you).

The other Copland pieces mentioned are all top notch. In addition I would add El Salón México, Quiet City, Simple Gifts, his Third Symphony and Clarinet Concerto. I've heard several narrations of Lincoln Portrait (Henry Fonda, Gregory Peck and some lesser known people). The expression & phrasing is critical. They don't all get it. I've been told James Earl Jones does a superb job. Maybe I can find an mp3 online.

(Besides classical I do a lot of blues, jazz, rock & bluegrass. I admit I play more acoustic guitar and mandolin these days).
 
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I may or may not have heard "Fanfare for the Common Man," and that if you like Copland you are more learned than if you don't, but I still like nothing of his last four minutes of Rodeo.