Sound Laser? Focus Sound Like Laser?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of focusing sound in a manner similar to lasers, exploring the potential for creating directed sound beams and the mechanisms involved, including ultrasonic waves and stimulated emission. Participants examine both theoretical and practical aspects of sound focusing, as well as related technologies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire whether sound can be focused like light, suggesting that sound intensity might be magnified in a specific path.
  • One participant mentions the use of large parabolic dishes to effectively direct sound over distances, referencing a demonstration involving two dishes.
  • Ultrasonic waves are introduced as a potential method for focusing sound, with a mention of a technology termed "uaser" that utilizes stimulated emission at ultrasonic frequencies.
  • There is curiosity about the feasibility of using uasers to transmit sound over long distances, with playful remarks about calling dogs from afar.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between coherence and focus in the context of lasers and sound, questioning whether the principles of stimulated emission apply similarly to sound amplification.
  • One participant proposes that a microphone-amplifier-speaker setup could serve as an analog to light amplification by stimulated emission, while also noting that generating coherent sound beams may not require amplification.
  • References are made to external articles discussing coherent beams of phonons and the potential for creating such beams using terahertz sound.

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Participants express a range of ideas and hypotheses about focusing sound and the mechanisms involved, with no clear consensus reached on the effectiveness or practicality of the proposed methods.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions of terms like "stimulated emission" and "coherence," which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes speculative ideas about potential applications and technologies that remain unverified.

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Is there anything that focuses sound like is done with a lazer? That is where you wouldn't be able to hear anything unless you were in the beam path and maybe the intensity would be magnified.
 
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Tregg Smith said:
Is there anything that focuses sound like is done with a lazer? That is where you wouldn't be able to hear anything unless you were in the beam path and maybe the intensity would be magnified.

You going to talk to the geese to tell them to leave? :smile:

You can use a large parabolic dish to direct sound fairly effectively, at least out to some reasonable distance. There is a neat demo at the Exploratorium in San Francisco, where two parabolic dishes (IIRC, about 8 feet in diameter each) are set up about 50' across the room from each other. You have two people sit with their head at the focus of each dish, and you can talk quietly and hear each other across the room. Pretty neat.
 
boneh3ad said:
They have using ultrasonic waves. It is called a uaser (pronounced "wazer").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uaser

http://www.engr.uiuc.edu/news/index.php?xId=068908160784

Interesting angle on "stimulated emission" of ultrasonic waves...
 
Interesting topic! :smile:

Makes me wonder if you can *zap* stuff over long distances with your uaser. :biggrin:
 
I like Serena said:
Interesting topic! :smile:

Makes me wonder if you can *zap* stuff over long distances with your uaser. :biggrin:

"You can call dogs from over a mile away..." :-p
 
berkeman said:
"You can call dogs from over a mile away..." :-p

:smile:
 
I understood that lazing action was about coherence, not focus?
 
Studiot said:
I understood that lazing action was about coherence, not focus?

Yeah, the SE in LASER is the stimulated emission part, which is what I found surprising about the UASER article. They seem to be implying that they have been able to come up with a stimulated emission analog mechanism at ultrasonic frequencies. I haven't read the UASER article in a lot of detail yet, though, so I can't say much about their claim.
 
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berkeman said:
a stimulated emission analog mechanism at ultrasonic frequencie.

maybe this could be done with powdered or gaseous chemistry
 
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Also don't forget the http://news.cnet.com/8301-17912_3-10267528-72.html" which creates a coherent beam of phonons
 
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berkeman said:
Yeah, the SE in LASER is the stimulated emission part, which is what I found surprising about the UASER article. They seem to be implying that they have been able to come up with a stimulated emission analog mechanism at ultrasonic frequencies. I haven't read the UASER article in a lot of detail yet, though, so I can't say much about their claim.
Wouldn't a simple microphone+amplifier+speaker provide the sound analog of light amplification by stimulated emission? The speaker emits amplified sound in phase with the sound that hits the microphone.

I'm not sure of the benefits of this, other than it's a cool thing to research. It's not necessary to amplify ultrasound in order to generate a nice coherent beam; you can generate the beam with powerful enough electrical signals connected to ultrasonic transducers.

cpt_carrot said:
Also don't forget the http://news.cnet.com/8301-17912_3-10267528-72.html" which creates a coherent beam of phonons
That's pretty neat -- terahertz (ultra)sound!
 
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