Source of Hydrogen: Where Does Our Sun Get Its Fuel?

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The discussion centers around the origins of hydrogen in the Sun, particularly in the context of its classification as a second-generation star. Participants explore the implications of stellar lifetimes, supernova events, and the efficiency of star formation processes in relation to the availability of hydrogen fuel for the Sun.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Sun is a second-generation star, suggesting that its heavy metal content indicates a history of previous stars.
  • Others propose that hydrogen did not run dry due to the existence of first-generation stars, implying that there remains a significant amount of hydrogen available.
  • One participant discusses the lifetimes of stars, noting that massive stars do not fuse all their hydrogen and retain a portion in their outer envelopes, which may contribute to the hydrogen available for subsequent star formation.
  • Another participant challenges the premise that previous stars consumed all available hydrogen, arguing that star formation is inefficient and that supernovae occur before stars exhaust their hydrogen, leaving behind unconsumed hydrogen.
  • It is mentioned that the majority of gas in interstellar clouds does not collapse into stars, further complicating the availability of hydrogen for new star formation.
  • One participant highlights that the Sun likely contains remnants from multiple supernovae, suggesting that primordial gas from the Big Bang still constitutes a significant portion of the Sun's hydrogen.
  • A later reply questions whether second-generation stars can form without hydrogen, indicating a potential re-evaluation of the initial assumptions about hydrogen availability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the availability of hydrogen for the Sun and the implications of stellar evolution. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the origins of hydrogen in the Sun.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the efficiency of star formation and the complexities surrounding the lifecycle of stars, including the roles of supernovae and primordial gas. Assumptions about the availability of hydrogen and the processes leading to the formation of second-generation stars are not fully resolved.

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Our Sun is at least a second generation star. This is known from the heavy metal content of the star. But if a previous star (or stars) existed in the vicinity of our Sun and used up all their hydrogen fuel, where does the hydrogen come from that makes up most of our Sun?
 
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Hi.

Hydrogen did not run dry by first generation stars, I assume.
 
The stars that have lived and died since the birth of the universe by necessity have lifetimes < 13 Gyr. From this we can get a lower bound for their masses (in fact, most of them were much more massive than this lower bound). Massive stars, it turns out, are not fully convective beasts unlike their low-mass counterparts. That is to say, while the star will fuse all of the hydrogen in some central core region, it does not have access to the hydrogen in its outer envelope. This hydrogen remains relatively untouched during the entire lifetime of the star, so the star actually ends up fusing a small fraction of its total hydrogen content.
 
Zman said:
But if a previous star (or stars) existed in the vicinity of our Sun and used up all their hydrogen fuel, where does the hydrogen come from that makes up most of our Sun?
The answer is that your premise is incorrect, for at least two reasons.

The vast majority of the gas in an interstellar cloud does not collapse into the nascent stars and circumstellar disks forming in the cloud. A lot of that which does start to collapse gets blown away once the star ignites. All together, star formation is an incredibly inefficient process.

The other reason is that stars undergo supernova long before they consume all the hydrogen. This is particular so for the first stars, which went supernova before they had consumed all of the hydrogen in the star's core. Those first stars died in a pair instability supernova. It is only subsequent generations that underwent core collapse, and even those still had large amounts of hydrogen outside of the core. All together, large stars are incredibly inefficient when it comes to converting hydrogen to more massive elements.
 
A star is what remains after gravitational collapse of a giant gas cloud. The majority of this gas [~99%] is still primordial - i.e., was formed during the big bang. This primordial gas is lightly contaminated [metallized], mainly through the supernova process. The odds are very good our sun contains the remnants of numerous supernova. The universe was about two thirds of its present age when the sun formed, which is plenty of time for multiple generations of earlier supernova to have made a contribution. NOTE: This is the 'for dummies' version of what Nabeshin and DH already said.
 
Zman said:
Our Sun is at least a second generation star. This is known from the heavy metal content of the star. But if a previous star (or stars) existed in the vicinity of our Sun and used up all their hydrogen fuel, where does the hydrogen come from that makes up most of our Sun?

The fact that the sun is here indicates that there was enough hydrogen.
So the question might better be whether second-generation stars can form without hydrogen.
 

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