Space Elevator Cable: Physical & Chemical Properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physical and chemical properties required for a space elevator cable, including the environmental conditions it must withstand. Participants explore theoretical aspects, material properties, and the implications of forces involved in the operation of a space elevator.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the cable must withstand Earth's centrifugal force due to its rotation, requiring materials that are strong, lightweight, inexpensive, and abundant.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the cable material to be immune to corrosion in space, particularly from reactive atomic oxygen.
  • A specific material, graphene, is proposed as a suitable candidate due to its strength, flexibility, and resistance to corrosion.
  • Some participants challenge the use of "centrifugal force," arguing it is not technically a force, while others defend its relevance as an artificial force representing an effect.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy requirements for launching objects from the ground, suggesting that the initial task may not be as low-energy as implied.
  • Questions arise regarding the relationship between gravitational pull and centrifugal force, with some participants seeking clarification on concepts like the sky hook.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology used to describe forces involved in the space elevator concept, and there is no consensus on the energy requirements for launching objects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these forces and the best material choices.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for specific physical and chemical properties without fully resolving the implications of force terminology or the energy dynamics involved in the space elevator concept.

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Homework Statement


a) research the space elevator concept. Consider the environment in which the cable must operate. Recommend two physical and one chemical property that the cable should have. Justify your choices.

b) Based on what you have learned about bonding and forces in solids, which type of solid, in your opinion, is the most suitable for use in the space elevator cable? Justify your choice.

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The Attempt at a Solution



a)

Physical Properties: The cable would need to be able to withstand Earth's centrifugal force caused by the Earth's orbit since the cable will be rotating along with the Earth in a circular rotation. Objects that are sent up the elevator will be pulled upward by the centrifugal force, which could potentially oppose all, most of, or more than, the gravitational pull of the earth. Considering the issue of the centrifugal force, the cable will need to be made out of a material that is able to take on a gigantic amount of stress, be light in weight, inexpensive, and easily manufactured on a massive scale with a material that is abundant on earth.

Chemical Properties: It must be immune to corrosion in space. Atomic oxygen is highly reactive, meaning it will oxidize anything that has the potential to oxidize, which causes corrosion. Therefore the cable must be a material that is not affected by oxidization or reduction.b)

The best prospect would be a carbon based material related to carbon nanotube technology. Considering the new invention of Graphene that is the result of a decade worth of research. It is a carbon based material, which consists of hexagonal lattice of carbon atoms which is honey combed in structure. The idea of a space elevator is now plausible since graphene has all the physical properties needed for the space elevators cable. Graphene is immensely tough, it is 200 times stronger than steal, flexible, the thinnest material currently possible, transparent, and has amazing conducting abilities, not even helium is able to pass through it making it a perfect barrier against corrosion. All of these points make it the perfect material for the construction of the space elevators cable.

http://www.innovateus.net/science/what-space-elevator

http://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/explore/what-can-graphene-do/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2452262716300058
 
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Looks like we're enrolled in the same chemistry course! :biggrin:

You should probably not mention "centrifugal force" since it's not technically a force.
 
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PetSounds said:
Looks like we're enrolled in the same chemistry course! :biggrin:

You should probably not mention "centrifugal force" since it's not technically a force.
It's still an artificial force that represents a certain affect. There is no other name for it. Yeah it's an awful course the text is horrid.
 
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Physics345 said:
Objects that are sent up the elevator will be pulled upward by the centrifugal force, which could potentially oppose all, most of, or more than, the gravitational pull of the earth.
It sounds like you think it will be a low-energy task to get things started on the ground end. You might want to rethink that.
 
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phinds said:
It sounds like you think it will be a low-energy task to get things started on the ground end. You might want to rethink that.
Well isn't the idea revolved around the apparent gravitational field? Where the Earth's gravity (downward pull) minus the centrifugal force (upward pull).
 
phinds said:
It sounds like you think it will be a low-energy task to get things started on the ground end. You might want to rethink that.
Or am I misunderstanding something here, are you referring to the sky hook concept?
 

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