Unorthodox "space" elevator idea

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the feasibility of an alternative concept for a space elevator, proposing a large floating platform supported by hydrogen balloons at an altitude of 15-20 miles. Participants examine the economic viability and technical challenges of this approach compared to traditional space elevator designs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a floating platform could reduce energy costs associated with launching into space by taking off horizontally from a high altitude.
  • Another participant challenges the claim that most energy costs are incurred within the first 10 miles, arguing that the gravitational well extends much deeper and that significant energy is required to reach geostationary orbit.
  • It is noted that the majority of fuel is needed for achieving horizontal velocity, with only a small percentage of fuel used for the initial ascent to 20 km.
  • Concerns are raised about the logistics of launching from high altitudes, with examples provided of existing spaceports located near sea level, suggesting that the proposed method may not be practical.
  • One participant mentions that small rockets are sometimes launched from helium balloons to avoid the complexity of multiple stages, indicating a potential parallel to the proposed hydrogen balloon concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and economic viability of the proposed floating platform idea, with no consensus reached on its practicality or effectiveness compared to traditional methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions regarding energy costs, logistical challenges, and the effectiveness of launching from high altitudes versus sea level, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Would it be possible, instead of building a 22 thousand mile long space elevator, to make a large floating platform 15-20 miles high which would be supported by gigantic hydrogen balloons. You would then take off horizontally and travel into space from there since most of the energy costs are the first 10 miles . A lightweight cable would be connected from the ground to the platform and carts could move up and down in order to transport whatever. Would this be a more cost effective approach to a space elevator, or is the amount of hydrogen and balloons required simply unfeasible economically?

The platform would be constructed on the ground at first, and then materials would be gradually transported up the cable, as the platform ascends, to produce additional hydrogen gas via some chemical reaction. Perhaps the cable could be hollow and hydrogen gas could be generated on the ground and then pumped up to the platform. It would probably take a couple years to reach the ideal height and becomes exponentially more difficult the higher in the atmosphere one goes . Some point would need to be calculated to determine the most cost effective altitude.

Additionally, you could also glide from one of these platforms to some arbitrary location and cut fuel costs immensely while saving the environment. Is this a terrible idea? If so please explain the economic reasons.
 
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"since most of the energy costs are the first 10 miles"

The statement is incorrect. Air resistance, yes, most of that is gone rather quickly, but the gravitational well is much deeper than 10 miles. (Theoretically) lifting something straight up from the surface of the planet it won't stay in place until the height is equal to geostationary orbit...
 
Most fuel is needed for the horizontal velocity of about 8km/s. Getting up to ~400km is about 10% of this, and getting up to 20km is 5% of this 10%. All you would save is some air resistance.
Are spaceports built on high mountains? No. The logistics effort is worse than the additional fuel needed to start close to sea level (Cape Canaveral and French-Guiana at the coast, Baikonur just at 100m above sea level, ...).
 
Some confusion might come from the fact that a lot of small rockets are launched from helium balloons in or near the stratosphere. While I'm not sure, I suspect that such is done to avoid the cost and complexity of using multiple stages rather than simply the amount of fuel required.
 

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