Space Finite: Flat/Open Universe Possibilities

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the universe's geometry, specifically whether a flat or open universe implies infinity, and the implications of these geometries on the amount of matter in the universe. Participants explore theoretical models, cosmological implications, and the relationship between observable and total universe size.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a flat or hyperbolic universe is generally considered open and infinite, while a spherical universe is closed and finite.
  • Others argue that it is possible to construct closed, finite topologies that are everywhere flat, such as a 3-D torus.
  • There is a suggestion that if the universe is infinite, it would imply an infinite amount of matter, assuming matter is evenly distributed.
  • One participant mentions the challenge of conceptualizing the Big Bang as originating from a zero-volume singularity expanding into an infinite volume universe.
  • Concerns are raised about the apparent contradiction between the universe being potentially infinite and the finite size of the observable universe, with references to a size of approximately 74 billion light years.
  • Participants discuss Olbers' Paradox and its dependence on assumptions about the universe being infinitely old, large, and static, suggesting that breaking any of these conditions resolves the paradox.
  • Some participants question the definitions and implications of "flat" and "open" universes, proposing various interpretations and models.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether flat or open universes can be finite, and there is no consensus on the implications of these geometries for the universe's size and matter content. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of "flat" and "open," as well as unresolved mathematical and conceptual steps regarding the implications of infinite versus finite universes.

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turbo-1 said:
...The fact that he did not successfully predict the frequency distribution (due to absorption and re-radiation at lower and lower frequencies) does not diminish the acheivement of accurately predicting the magnitude of the signal.
Producing the 'right' answer for the wrong reasons is more often called astrology than science.
 
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