Spaceport America: Proving the Naysayers Wrong

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The discussion revolves around the viability and future of Spaceport America and commercial space travel, particularly in the context of manned missions to the moon and Mars. Participants express a range of opinions on the feasibility, potential benefits, and challenges associated with these endeavors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confidence in Richard Branson's plans for sub-orbital rockets, while others question the feasibility of commercial space travel.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of concrete developments and the potential legal and financial hurdles that could impede progress.
  • Participants discuss the increasing challenges of space travel, noting that each subsequent step (e.g., from low Earth orbit to the moon) presents greater difficulties and risks.
  • Some argue that having paying customers for sub-orbital flights could create a market demand for further advancements in space travel.
  • There are differing views on the value of NASA's manned missions, with some participants identifying as naysayers regarding their benefits to humanity.
  • Discussions include the environmental impact of space travel and the potential for resource mining on other planets, with skepticism about the economic viability of such endeavors.
  • Participants debate the technological advancements needed before pursuing further manned missions beyond Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the future of commercial space travel and NASA's role in manned missions. There is no clear consensus on the feasibility or desirability of these initiatives, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some claims are based on speculative scenarios regarding the future of space travel and resource mining, with participants acknowledging the need for significant technological advancements before such ideas could be realized.

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Chi Meson said:
Twenty years ago I had a Compuserve account.

It is NOT "scientific thinking" to say "someday science will figure it out." It IS scientific thinking to make conjectures based on all the evidence as we currently understand them. While it is important to understand that there will be breakthroughs ahead, and that there will be something else discovered that we have no idea about now, we can tell what those things will be, and an expectation that we will discover ANYthing that we want is exactly the same as fiction.

We do know, right now, that interplanetary space, even interstellar space, is awash in energy. Lots of radiant energy for one, there's the solar wind, and lots of hydrogen. There are many ideas out there on how we can use that energy.

The hydrogen ramjet idea is over 30 years old, and would be a great source of fuel once a spacecraft is already traveling at high velocity. Solar sails should work fine for acceleration away from the sun, but the craft would need to be very small compared to the sails, and it would be no good for getting back home (you cannot tack against the wind in space).

Science must be skeptical in the face of goals based on unknown speculation. We have to temper our wishes with our reality (as we understand reality to be). Going into orbit around the Earth is OLD news. It has been done for forty years now. Half a century of orbiting the earth. So now a Spaceport "is going to be built" in order to take people into orbit. How much of a step is that?

We are also now thinking and planning (not building yet) a scheme to get one or two people to Mars and back. I am certain that we will get there, and probably within my lifetime. But large groups of people going to Mars? Not so very soon.

I agree, given current technology there a lot of things we can't do. But to turn around and say 'it will never happen' or 'it will never be feasible' is putting a stop on things. If we took that attitude with everything, where would we be? Decades ago, heads of the army said "flying has no place in war", they couldn't see what use aircraft would be to the army and didn't believe money should be spent on it. Now if we hadn't kept developing aircraft and just given up on them because of these views, we wouldn't be where we are today. The wars gave a lot of developments in aircraft technology. Look at radar.
 

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