Spec Rel: Proof concerning IF through Minkowski diag

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The discussion centers on a problem from "Relativity" by Rindler, specifically problem 3.4, which involves using a Minkowski diagram to demonstrate that two rods of different lengths, l_1 and l_2 (where l_2 < l_1), can appear equal in length in a specific inertial frame S'. This frame moves with a velocity defined by the equation c^2 (l_1 - l_2/γ(v)) / (l_1 v), under the condition that l_1^2(c-v) < l_2^2(c+v). The participants express confusion regarding the correct application of the Minkowski diagram and the implications of the constraint on the velocities.

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Homework Statement


This problem is from "Relativity" by Rindler, second edition, problem 3.4:
Use a Minkowski diagram to establish the following result: Given two rods of equal length l_1 and l_2 (l_2 &lt; l_1), moving along a common line with relative velocity v, there exists a unique inertial frame S&#039; moving along the same line with velocity c^2 \frac{l_1-l_2/\gamma (v)}{l_1 v} relative to the longer rod, in which the two rods have equal lengths, provided l^2_1 (c-v) &lt; l^2_2(c+v).


Homework Equations


\tan \Theta = \frac{v}{c} : (1)


The Attempt at a Solution


I have denoted the velocity of S&#039; relative the rod l_1 as v&#039;. By use of (1) I identify that tan \Theta = \frac{v&#039;}{c} = c \frac{l_1-l_2/\gamma (v)}{l_1 v} : (2). When I saw this I thought I should be able to find a trigonometric relation in my diagram satisfying that relation.

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I drew the diagram with l_1 along the principal x-axis, identified a side with length l_1-l_2/\gamma(v) in the figure, found through similarity that \Theta was in that triangle and calculated through Pyth. theorem the cathetus remaining (denoted X in the figure) to be X = l_2 \sqrt{ 1 - \frac{1}{\gamma (v) ^ 2} } = l_2 \sqrt{ 1-(1-v^2/c^2) } = l_2 \frac{v}{c}. Had it been l_1 \frac{v}{c} I would have been done I believe since that would have shown (2). What am I missing?

I also don't see the what effect the last constraint l^2_1 (c-v) &lt; l^2_2(c+v) has on the problem.

EDIT: Right now I'm thinking that I am using the Minkowski diagram incorrectly. When trying to find the length of l_2 on the principal x-axis I shouldn't draw a line perpendicular to the x-axis but instead parallell to the time axis corresponding to the inertial frame in which l_2 is at rest, right? That makes my geometry wrong, and more complicated I guess.

EDIT 2: But when I'm looking at the figures in the book it seems like I interpretated the diagrams correctly the first time, and I'm back at my previous problem again. Or more precisely, I'm more lost than before. Is it the calibrating hyperbolas I am missing? How do they affect my drawing?

EDIT 3: If I calculate my X another way, by denoting the angle between l_1 and l_2 as \alpha and using that \tan \alpha = \frac{v}{c} I get X = \frac{v l_2}{c \gamma(v)} which gives v&#039; = c^2 ( l_1 - \frac{l_2}{\gamma(v)} ) \frac{\gamma(v)}{v l_2 }, a different result. In this case, if \frac{l_2 }{\gamma (v) } = l_1 the given expression for v&#039; would have been fulfilled. The fact that I get different results depending on which relation I use to calculate X clearly indicates that I have misunderstood something.
 
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I used the Minkowski diagrams incorrectly. The projection of l_2 onto l_1 wasn't perpendicular but with an angle corresponding to the time-axis for l_2, not included in my image above. At first I thought this would lead to a contradiction when I tried to project l_2 onto x&#039;, but that was because I didn't consider the calibrating hyperbola.

I believe the last constraint is just an expression that says that the relativistic speed limit should be obeyed.
 

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