Special relativity from different angle

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of relativistic mass and its implications in special relativity. The calculation of relativistic mass is shown to be different from the classical formula F=ma, and a new formula is proposed. The conversation also touches upon the idea of time dilation and how it can be explained using the concept of relativistic mass. The discussion concludes with a question about the possibility of a privileged reference frame in special relativity.
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If we accelerate one body with mass m0 on a distance dx, then, we need energy dW:
dW = a m0 dx = dv/dt m dx = m0 dv v
Energy dW, which we gives weight dW= dm c^2
If we put this in differential equation, solvation is
dm/m0 = v dv /c^2
and
(m/m0)=exp(v^2/(2c^2))
But this calculation does not give that m is infinity at v = c.

What failing to my calculation?

(I know normal derivation of special relativity equation)
 
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You are assuming that in SR, F=ma, where m is the 'relativistic mass'.

This formula is fundmanetally wrong. See for instance

https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=687759&postcount=71

Doc Al said:
Careful here. At relativistic speeds, F no longer equals ma, even if you replace m by the "relativistic mass". Assuming that the force and acceleration are in the same direction as the object's velocity, and that the acceleration a is that measured by an inertial observer who measures the object to be moving at speed v, the relationship would be:
[tex]F = m \gamma^3 a[/tex]
where m is the usual invariant ("rest") mass. ([itex]m \gamma^3[/itex] is sometimes called the longitudinal mass.)

You can also take a look at http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/mass.html

in the addendum "what is the relativistic version of F=ma"
 
  • #3
I found another formula for relativistic mass which works:
c^2 dm = m v dv gama^-2
where
gama=(1-(v/c)^2)^-1/2

The result is m = gama m0
Where m0 is mass at v=0.
This give the same formula of relativistic mass in longitudinal direction as in horizontal direction. This gives hint that absolute explanation is possible. This means slower time-run in rocket which moves very fast is consequence of larger mass in rocket and so means that we see mans in rocket moving slow. But how to explain that peoples in rocket see us that our clock run slow?

I understand that two main postulates of relativity,
1.speed of light is the same in every inertial system
2. All system are equally valid.
But one explanation should to exist, if we suppose that our system is privileged. Suppositions are more involved than with points 1 and 2, but some explanation should to exist.
 
  • #4
Above mentioned relativistic mass (longitudinal = transverzal) is useful, because it is alternative explanation for time dilatation:
Because mass is larger, everything is moving slower and this gives slower time running.
But how this concept explain that someone in moving rocket see time dilatation on earth?
I suppose that that classical special relativity is only the most simple view on special relativity, but it is not the only one.


P.S
I think that this question of beginners, but thread was moved.
 

What is special relativity?

Special relativity is a theory in physics that explains how time, space, and motion are perceived by different observers. It was developed by Albert Einstein in 1905 and is based on the idea that the laws of physics are the same for all non-accelerating observers.

How is special relativity different from classical mechanics?

Special relativity differs from classical mechanics in that it takes into account the effects of high speeds and gravity on the perception of time and space. It also introduces the concept of spacetime, where space and time are not separate entities but are interconnected.

What is the principle of relativity?

The principle of relativity states that the laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion. This means that there is no preferred frame of reference and all physical laws should be the same for any observer, regardless of their motion.

What is the equation for time dilation in special relativity?

The equation for time dilation in special relativity is t' = t / √(1 - v²/c²), where t' is the time measured by the moving observer, t is the time measured by the stationary observer, v is the relative velocity between the two observers, and c is the speed of light. This equation shows that time appears to slow down for objects moving at high speeds.

What is the twin paradox in special relativity?

The twin paradox is a thought experiment that demonstrates the effects of time dilation in special relativity. It involves one twin traveling at high speeds and returning to Earth, while the other twin stays on Earth. The traveling twin would experience time passing slower and would return to find that the twin who stayed on Earth has aged more than them.

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