Spectrum of ##(x_1,x_2,x_3, )\mapsto(0,x_1,2^{-1}x_2, )##

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The discussion centers on finding the spectrum of a linear operator defined on the space of square-summable sequences, specifically a compact operator that appears to have no eigenvalues. Participants explore the continuous spectrum of the operator and engage in calculations related to its properties.

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  • One participant seeks help in determining the continuous spectrum of the operator defined by the transformation of sequences.
  • Another participant proposes a method for calculating the inverse of the operator for non-zero values of the parameter, suggesting that the inverse exists and is continuous.
  • A later post corrects a previous statement regarding the notation used in the calculations.
  • One participant introduces the Gelfand formula for the spectral radius, indicating that the spectral radius is zero based on their calculations.
  • Another participant provides an elementary estimate for the factorial, contributing to the discussion on the spectral radius and its implications.
  • Further contributions include discussions on the validity of the estimates and the reasoning behind them, with participants refining their arguments and calculations.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and the implications for the spectrum of the operator. There is no consensus on the final characterization of the spectrum, and multiple approaches are presented without resolution.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the validity of their calculations and the membership of certain sequences in the space of square-summable sequences. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the properties of the operator.

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Dear friends, I would like to find the spectrum of the linear operator ##A\in\mathscr{L}(\ell_2,\ell_2)##, which I have verified to be compact and eigenvalueless, defined by

##A(x_1,x_2,x_3,...,x_n,...)=(0,x_1,\frac{1}{2}x_2,...,\frac{1}{n-1}x_{n-1},...)##
but my book does not give examples of how to do so. Could anybody help me in finding its (continuous) spectrum, i.e. the set ##\sigma(A)=\{\lambda\in\mathbb{C}\quad|\quad\nexists B\in\mathscr{L}(\ell_2,\ell_2):B=(A-\lambda I)^{-1}\}##?
##\infty## thanks!
 
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I am very inexpert, but I se that, for any ##(y_1,y_2,...)=A(x_1,y_2,...)## I think we can calculate ##(x_1,x_2,...)## observing that ##x_1=-\lambda^{-1}y_1## and ##\forall k\geq 2\quad x_k=-\lambda^{-1}(y_k-(n-1)^{-1}x_{k-1})##, therefore an application inverting the image ##A(\ell_2)## exists for any ##\lambda\ne 0##.
I also see that for any ##(y_1,y_2,...)\in\ell_2## we can recursively chose a sequence ##z_1=-\lambda^{-1}y_1##, ..., ##z_n=-\lambda^{-1}(y_n-(n-1)^{-1}z_{n-1})##, which I intuitively guess to belong to ##\ell_2##, such that ##A(z_1,z_2,...)=(y_1,y_2,...)##.
Therefore, applying Banach bounded inverse theorem I would say that for any ##\lambda \ne 0## the inverse ##(A-\lambda I)^{-1}## would be continuous and defined on ##\ell_2##.
Am I saying stupid things?
Anyhow, I cannot prove that ##(z_1,z_2,...)\in\ell_2##...:(
##\infty## thanks for any answer!
 
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EDIT: Read ##B=A-\lambda I## instead of ##A## ofr every occurrence in the preceding post.
 
Davide: why don't you set it up and we can work it together; I need to review the material myself.
 
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Thank you so much for your answer! I rewrite the second post, correctly, I hope, this time (it is not possible to edit after some time one has posted, apparently):

I would say that, for any ##(y_1,y_2,...)=(A-\lambda I)(x_1,y_2,...)##, i.e. for any ##(y_1,y_2,...)## in the image of ##A-\lambda I##, we can calculate ##(x_1,x_2,...)## observing that ##x_1=-\lambda^{-1}y_1## and ##\forall k\geq 2\quad x_k=-\lambda^{-1}(y_k-(n-1)^{-1}x_{k-1})##, therefore an application inverting the image ##(A-\lambda I)(\ell_2)## exists for any ##\lambda\ne 0##.
I also see that for any ##(y_1,y_2,...)\in\ell_2## we can recursively chose a sequence ##z_1=-\lambda^{-1}y_1##, ..., ##z_n=-\lambda^{-1}(y_n-(n-1)^{-1}z_{n-1})##, which I intuitively guess to belong to ##\ell_2##, such that ##(A-\lambda I)(z_1,z_2,...)=(y_1,y_2,...)##.
Therefore, applying Banach bounded inverse theorem I would say that for any ##\lambda \ne 0## the inverse ##(A-\lambda I)^{-1}## would be continuous and defined on ##\ell_2##, so that ##\sigma(A)=\{0\}##. Am I saying stupid things?

If my calculations are correct I would say that ##z_n=-\frac{1}{\lambda}(y_n+\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}\frac{(-1)^{n+k}}{(n-1)...k} y_k)##, but I cannot prove that ##(z_1,z_2,...)\in\ell_2##...

Thank you a lot again!

P.S.: In math.stackexchange I find no answer about our ##A##...
 
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The easiest way is to use the Gelfand formula for the spectral radius ##\rho(A)## of ##A##, $$\rho(A) = \lim_{n\to\infty} \|A^n\|^{1/n}.$$ You can easily see that ##\|A^n\|= 1/n!##, so the spectral radius is 0. And just to remind, $$\rho(A) = \max\{|\lambda|:\lambda\in\sigma(A)\}.$$
 
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...and I have verified that ##(n!)^{1/n}\xrightarrow{n\to+\infty}+\infty## using the Puiseux series, which I happen to have studied in discrete mathematics.
I've just studied a chapter about Banach algebras and know the formula for the spectral radius: how stupid am I!
I heartily thank you!
 
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The limit also can be computed using an elementary estimate $$n! \ge \left( \frac{n}{2}\right)^{\lfloor n/2\rfloor} \ge \left( \frac{n}{2}\right)^{ n/2 -1} ,$$ where ##\lfloor x\rfloor## is the integer part of ##x##. I guess that it is easier than the proof you got using the Puiseux series.
 
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Very interesting. How can we see the first inequality? Thanks ##\to+\infty##!;)
 
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At least half of the numbers ##1,2, \ldots, n## are ##\ge n/2##. So in fact even better estimate $$n!\ge\left(\frac{n}{2}\right)^{n/2}$$ holds.
I was too lazy to count, so I just estimated that there surely will be ##\lfloor n/2\rfloor## such numbers. But if you look carefully, you see that if ##n## is even then ##n/2+1## numbers are ##\ge n/2##, and if ##n## is odd then ##n/2+1/2##.
 
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Beautiful! Thank you very much!
 

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