Spherical co-ord notation

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The discussion revolves around the differing definitions and notations for spherical coordinates as presented in Griffith's "Introduction to Electrodynamics" compared to those typically used in calculus classes. Participants explore the implications of these differences and the confusion they can cause.

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  • One participant notes a conflict in the definitions of spherical coordinates, specifically regarding the angles φ and θ, as used in Griffith's text versus previous calculus classes.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that the discrepancy between physicists' and mathematicians' notations may be unresolvable, highlighting the use of different symbols and conventions.
  • A third participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the definitions of the angles rather than getting caught up in the notation itself, suggesting that any symbols can be used as long as their meanings are clear.
  • A link to a paper proposing an alternative approach to spherical coordinates is shared, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants express differing views on the notation of spherical coordinates, with no consensus reached on which definition is preferable or more correct.

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The discussion highlights the potential for confusion arising from varying definitions and notations in different fields, but does not resolve the underlying issues or assumptions related to these differences.

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In Griffith's "Introduction to electrodynamics" he uses the following definition for spherical coordinates:

[tex]x=r\sin{\theta}cos{\phi}[/tex]
[tex]y=r\sin{\theta}sin{\phi}[/tex]
[tex]z=r\cos{\theta}[/tex]

However, in all previous calculus classes, I have always used the opposite with respect to [tex]\phi[/tex] and [tex]\theta[/tex]. Anyone know why there is this conflict of notation? It is confusing as hell!
 
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nicksauce said:
In Griffith's "Introduction to electrodynamics" he uses the following definition for spherical coordinates:

[tex]x=r\sin{\theta}cos{\phi}[/tex]
[tex]y=r\sin{\theta}sin{\phi}[/tex]
[tex]z=r\cos{\theta}[/tex]

However, in all previous calculus classes, I have always used the opposite with respect to [tex]\phi[/tex] and [tex]\theta[/tex]. Anyone know why there is this conflict of notation? It is confusing as hell!

Don't get hung up on the notation. Pay attention to how these angles are defined. One is the polar angle, the other is the azimuthal angle. You can represent it with any symbol that you like, or stick a picture of a cow and a donkey on it. As long as you understand how they are defined, that's all that matters.

Zz.
 
neutrino said:
I think this is one question not even the "Theory of Everything" can answer. :biggrin: Physicists prefer one way, and mathematicians prefer another. The even use different letters, sometimes.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SphericalCoordinates.html

I didn't even notice that mathmos do it the other way round... how the hell did I miss that all these years?!
 

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