Spherical Conductors: Voltage Calculation & Equilibrium | ρs=ρ0cos2theta

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The discussion revolves around calculating the voltage at the point of tangency between two spherical conductors with a given surface charge density described by the equation ρs=ρ0cos2theta. The problem involves understanding the implications of the charge distribution and the geometry of the spheres.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the surface charge density and the implications of using spherical coordinates. There are questions about the limits of integration and the definition of angles involved in the geometry of the problem. Some participants express confusion regarding the assumptions made about the charge distribution and whether the given formula is indeed a solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the integration process and the geometry of the spheres. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of angles and the need for a clearer representation of the problem, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a diagram that may aid in understanding the problem, and participants are grappling with the implications of the surface charge density and its relation to the geometry of the spheres. The original poster has acknowledged potential mistakes in their approach, particularly regarding the limits of integration.

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Homework Statement


Given two spherical conductors of radius R and tangent at O, both are charged and in equilibrium with surface charge density ρs0cos2theta. Calculate:
a) Voltage of both spheres at O. (SOLUTION: V=2ρ0R/(3ε0)
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So I tried to solve it, first saying that both have the same voltage on its surface, thus, the voltage at point O is the same as voltage anywhere else on the surface of any of those spheres. I integrated ρs on the surface on one sphere, (R between 0 and R, and theta between 0 and 2pi), and I got a charge of R2ρ0pi/4 on one sphere,
Then I use Gauss to find the Electric field made by such sphere and integrate to find the voltage on the surface of the sphere, and I got V=ρ0R/(8ε0). I cannot find what's wrong
 
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Where theta is...?
I'm a bit puzzled, though. In principle, one could deduce the surface charge distribution from the total charge and other information. Are we to suppose that the given formula is the solution? Or is 'conducting' a mistake here?
 
I integrated ρs on the surface on one sphere, (R between 0 and R, and theta between 0 and 2pi), and I got a charge of R2ρ0pi/4 on one sphere,
Can you show what you did ? A sphere sounds three-dimensional. What happened to ##\phi## and why do you let ##\theta## go from 0 to ##2\pi## ? What do you think the charge density at O is ?

A drawing might make things a lot clearer, also for potential helpers (see the confusion with haru, who will help you further, since it's past my bedtime here :) )
 
haruspex said:
Where theta is...?
I'm a bit puzzled, though. In principle, one could deduce the surface charge distribution from the total charge and other information. Are we to suppose that the given formula is the solution? Or is 'conducting' a mistake here?

BvU said:
Can you show what you did ? A sphere sounds three-dimensional. What happened to ##\phi## and why do you let ##\theta## go from 0 to ##2\pi## ? What do you think the charge density at O is ?

A drawing might make things a lot clearer, also for potential helpers (see the confusion with haru, who will help you further, since it's past my bedtime here :) )

The solution is not a formula, it is just what the textbook gives as a solution. I don't know why I was thinking of polar coordinates, so I have the wrong limits for the integral o0). I just saw the drawing. It was on the back of the page, so now it should make sense. But now that I saw the drawing, I can't calculate ds for the integral
 

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pitbull said:
The solution is not a formula, it is just what the textbook gives as a solution. I don't know why I was thinking of polar coordinates, so I have the wrong limits for the integral o0). I just saw the drawing. It was on the back of the page, so now it should make sense. But now that I saw the drawing, I can't calculate ds for the integral
OK, the diagram helps. With theta defined that way, I confirm that the formula for charge density is indeed a solution.
But it's easier to work in terms of angle subtended at the centre of the sphere. Let A be the point where the chord shown touches the sphere at top right. What angle does the chord OA subtend at the centre of the sphere? Call this angle ##\phi##. Consider the circular band width ##d\phi## passing through A. What potential does that produce at O?
 

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