Spin-dependent Hamiltonian of two particles

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The discussion revolves around the eigenstates and eigenvalues of a spin-dependent Hamiltonian for two spin-half particles, specifically represented as H=λS1*S2. Participants are tasked with expressing these in terms of the states |m1,m2>, where (hbar)m1 and (hbar)m2 denote the z-components of the spins.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of the Hamiltonian and the interactions between the spin operators. There is an attempt to simplify the problem by focusing on the z-components of the spins, leading to questions about the validity of setting certain operators to zero. Others suggest considering the total spin operator and its expansion to better understand the Hamiltonian's structure.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and guidance to each other. One participant acknowledges a breakthrough in understanding the expansion of the total spin operator and its relation to the Hamiltonian, indicating progress in the exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the proper treatment of spin operators and the need to consider all components of the spin in the context of the Hamiltonian. The original poster's approach raises questions about assumptions made regarding the simplification of the operators involved.

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Homework Statement


Two spin-half particles with spins S1 and S2 interact with a spin-dependent Hamiltonian H=λS1*S2 (the multiplication is a dot product and is a positive constant). Find the eigenstates and eigenvalues of H in terms of |m1,m2>, where (hbar)m1 and (hbar)m2 are the z-components of the two spins.


Homework Equations


Sx |m>=1/2(Sp-Ss) |m>
Sy |m>=1/2i(Sp+Ss) |m>
Sz |m>=(hbar)m |m>
Sp=(hbar)√[s(s+1)-m(m+1)]
Ss=(hbar)√[s(s+1)-m(m-1)]

The Attempt at a Solution


S1*S2=S1xS2x+S1yS2y+S1zS2z

S1x=S2x=S1y=S2y=0. I said this because the problem only mentioned z-component and most problems only talk about Sz.

H|m1,m2>=λSz1Sz1|m1,m2>

H |1/2,1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (1/2)(1/2) |1/2,1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2/4 |1/2,1/2>
H |-1/2,1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (-1/2)(1/2) |1/2,1/2> = -λ*(hbar)^2/4 |-1/2,1/2>
H |1/2,-1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (1/2)(-1/2) |1/2,1/2> = -λ*(hbar)^2/4 |1/2,-1/2>
H |-1/2,-1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (-1/2)(-1/2) |-1/2,-1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2/4 |-1/2,-1/2>

Is this my final answer? Am I close? Or was I completely off.
 
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Jufro said:

Homework Statement


Two spin-half particles with spins S1 and S2 interact with a spin-dependent Hamiltonian H=λS1*S2 (the multiplication is a dot product and is a positive constant). Find the eigenstates and eigenvalues of H in terms of |m1,m2>, where (hbar)m1 and (hbar)m2 are the z-components of the two spins.


Homework Equations


Sx |m>=1/2(Sp-Ss) |m>
Sy |m>=1/2i(Sp+Ss) |m>
Sz |m>=(hbar)m |m>
Sp=(hbar)√[s(s+1)-m(m+1)]
Ss=(hbar)√[s(s+1)-m(m-1)]

The Attempt at a Solution


S1*S2=S1xS2x+S1yS2y+S1zS2z

S1x=S2x=S1y=S2y=0. I said this because the problem only mentioned z-component and most problems only talk about Sz.
Those are operators. You can't arbitrarily set them equal to 0.

H|m1,m2>=λSz1Sz1|m1,m2>

H |1/2,1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (1/2)(1/2) |1/2,1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2/4 |1/2,1/2>
H |-1/2,1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (-1/2)(1/2) |1/2,1/2> = -λ*(hbar)^2/4 |-1/2,1/2>
H |1/2,-1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (1/2)(-1/2) |1/2,1/2> = -λ*(hbar)^2/4 |1/2,-1/2>
H |-1/2,-1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2 (-1/2)(-1/2) |-1/2,-1/2> = λ*(hbar)^2/4 |-1/2,-1/2>

Is this my final answer? Am I close? Or was I completely off.
Read about the addition of angular momentum. For this problem, consider ##(\vec{S}_1 + \vec{S}_2)^2##.
 
I get what you are saying about the operators. That was just a bad attempt at trying to simply the problem. I get that (S1+S2)^2 would yield the total spin, but how would that play into the Hamiltonian.
 
Expand ##(\vec{S}_1 + \vec{S}_2)^2## it out. What do you get?
 
Thank you, I had figured it out last night with your hint. The expansion leaves S1^2+S2^2+2S1S2. Then the dot product of S1S2 gave S1xS1y+S2xS2y+S1zS2z. The Z component was simple that was the m(hbar) and the x and y components I wrote in terms of the ladder operators. Thanks again :)
 

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