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The discussion revolves around the separation of the time-independent Schrödinger equation into three one-dimensional problems, focusing on the total energy expressed as E = E_x + E_y + E_z. Participants explore the implications of assuming a specific form for the potential and the independence of variables in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Participants discuss the assumption that the potential V(x) depends only on x and how to demonstrate the independence of variables in the equation. There is also exploration of the conditions under which the equation can be separated into independent parts.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the necessary form of the potential for separation to be valid. There is ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the separation of variables, with participants questioning their understanding of the conditions required for this approach.

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There is a mention of the need for the potential to be expressible as a sum of functions of individual variables, which is a key assumption in the separation process. Additionally, participants are navigating through their interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved.

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splitting the time independent schroedinger equation

Homework Statement


how would i go about splitting the time independent Schroedinger equation into 3 separate 1-D problems of the main 3-d problem whose total energy is [itex]E = E_x + E_y + E_z[/itex] ?


Homework Equations


[tex]\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{ \partial^2 \Psi(x) }{\partial x^2} + V(x) \Psi (x) = E \Psi(x)[/tex]
assuming:
[tex]\Psi (x) = R(x) S(y) J(z)[/tex]


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i want to assume that V(x) remains a function of x alone and only [itex]\Psi(x)[/itex] is a function of x,y,z , I am i right? and further more what do i do to the expression to show that the variables are independent of each other? in solving the heat equation we would differentiate the stuff and find that the two sides were independent (one on time the other on position) is that what is done here? or is there some analogous way to do that?



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sorry about the [itex]\Psi (x) [/tex] it should be [itex]\Psi (r)[/itex] <br /> <br /> from the defenition of [itex]\nabla^2[/itex] and separating the solution into a product of three functions R(x)S(y)J(z) :<br /> <br /> this is what i get as the equation in cartesian coordinates,<br /> [tex]\frac{-\hbar^2}{2m} \left[ S(y) J(z) \frac {\partial^2 R(x)}{\partial x^2} + R(x)J(z) \frac {\partial^2 S(y)}{\partial y^2} + R(x)S(y) \frac{\partial^2 J (z) }{\partial z^2} + V(r) R(x)S(y)J(z) = E R(x)S(y)J(z) \right][/tex] <br /> dividing through by R(x) S(y) J(z) and multiplying by [itex]\frac{-2m}{\hbar}[/itex] <br /> [tex]\left[ \frac{ \partial^2 R(x}{R(x) \partial x^2} + \frac{ \partial^2 S(y)}{S(y) \partial y^2} + \frac { \partial^2 J(z) }{ J(z) \partial z^2} \right] -\frac{2m V(r)}{\hbar^2} = -\frac{E 2m}{\hbar^2}[/tex]<br /> <br /> im stuck from here on how to show that it can be separated into two separate independent variables and equation.[/itex]
 
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You need the potential to be of the form V(x,y,z)=Vx(x)+Vy(y)+Vz(z), e.g., the potential for the three-dimensional harmonic oscillator is V(x,y,z)=(k/2)(x2+y2+z2). Then you can rewrite the equation into three pieces, each depending on only one variable.
 


thanks vela , now if i modify it , what actually inspires the spit into separate equations? is it because the x ,y and z are not dependent on each other?
[tex] \left[ \frac{ \partial^2 R(x}{R(x) \partial x^2} + \frac{ \partial^2 S(y)}{S(y) \partial y^2} + \frac { \partial^2 J(z) }{ J(z) \partial z^2} \right] -\frac{2m V_x (x) V_y (y) V_z (z)}{\hbar^2} = -\frac{E 2m}{\hbar^2} [/tex]
 
Reread what I wrote about the form of the potential more carefully.
 
let me give it one more try:
is this what you meant,
[tex] <br /> \left[ \frac{ \partial^2 R(x}{R(x) \partial x^2} + \frac{ \partial^2 S(y)}{S(y) \partial y^2} + \frac { \partial^2 J(z) }{ J(z) \partial z^2} \right] -\frac{2m (V_x (x) + V_y (y) +V_z (z))}{\hbar^2} = -\frac{E 2m}{\hbar^2} <br /> [/tex]

if that's what you meant ,then its my bad, i did not read you post carefully.
 

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