Spring compression and escape speed

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the necessary compression of a spring to launch a package from an airless asteroid, considering both gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy. The subject area includes mechanics, energy conservation, and spring dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the energy required for escape velocity and additional kinetic energy needed for the launch. There is an exploration of the correct application of energy equations and the implications of the results obtained.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided alternative approaches to calculating the total energy needed for the launch, suggesting a focus on energy conservation principles. There is recognition of errors in previous calculations, and participants express uncertainty about the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion regarding the units of energy and the proper application of formulas. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between gravitational potential energy and the energy stored in the spring.

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Homework Statement


A package of mass 5 kg sits at the equator of an airless asteroid of mass 6.3*10^5 kg and radius 48 m, which is spinning so that a point on the equator is moving with speed 2 m/s. We want to launch the package in such a way that it will never come back, and when it is very far from the asteroid it will be traveling with speed 227 m/s. We have a large and powerful spring whose stiffness is 3.0*10^5 N/m. How much must we compress the spring?

Homework Equations


Kf = Ui
(1/2) * m * v^2 = (1/2) * ks * s^2
v = sqrt[ (2 * G * M) / ri ]

The Attempt at a Solution


I've listed out the variables I'll be using in this equation:
m = 5 kg
M = 6.3e5 kg
k = 3e5 N/m
r = 48m

I'll get straight to the point, plugging in the variables was easy up to the point where I had to figure out what v was, where I find the escape speed. I used the equation I stated above ( v = sqrt[ (2 * G * M) / ri ] ) to find out the escape velocity needed to figure out how much compression is needed on the spring, and got 5.403e-6.

However, it seems to be a wrong answer, but I have no idea why, but I have a feeling it has something to do with my velocity (which I got a value of 1.3235e-3 m/s), but again I don't know what else to do with it.
 
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I don't think it is useful to use that v= formula when you are asked to provide not only the energy for escape velocity but also an additional speed of 227 m/s. Better to compute the total energy needed - the GmM/r plus the 1/2m*227^2. The spring energy must provide this, so you can now calculate the compression.
 
Thanks for your response, Delphi, I used the equation provided to find the total energy needed to launch it, but I came up with yet again, a wrong answer. Here's how I got my answer:

Find the total energy needed:
GmM/r + (1/2) * m * 227^2 = { [ (6.673e-11) * 5kg * 6.3e5kg ] / 48 } + [ (1/2) * 5kg * 227^2 ]
= 1.28823e5 m/s

Plug that value into the kf = Ui equation:
(1/2) * m * v^2 = (1/2) * ks * s^2 = sqrt{ [ (5kg) * (1.28823e5)^2 ] / 3e5 }
= 5.259e2 m/s

Again, it's not correct.. Worse, I'm having trouble grasping the concept, which is what I'm really worried about.

Thanks for the help though, really. I've been scratching my head about this for a while now.
 
1.28823e5 m/s should have units of Joules.
And be subbed into E = 1/2k*x^2 in place of E.
I get x = about 1 meter.
 

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