Spring Constants: Does Changing Diameter Affect Constant?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the diameter of a spring and its spring constant, with the original poster questioning how changing the diameter while keeping the spring length constant might affect the spring constant. The context includes concepts from mechanics and material properties, particularly focusing on Hooke's law and the physical behavior of springs under load.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand how altering the diameter and number of coils of a spring influences its spring constant and stretch. Some participants suggest considering the deformation of the spring under load, while others introduce formulas related to spring constants and stress.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of spring mechanics. Some have provided equations and concepts related to the spring constant, while others are questioning the assumptions about how changes in diameter and coil number affect the spring's behavior. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various lines of reasoning are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of changing the number of coils and the diameter of the wire on the spring's properties, with some uncertainty about the experimental feasibility of such changes. The original poster expresses confusion about the relationship between these variables and their effects on the spring constant.

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Homework Statement


If you change the diameter of a spring does it affect the spring constant? Assume the spring length, if fully extended, was kept constant.

Homework Equations


F=kx; F=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


From my research the spring constant (k) is measured by applying a mass and determining the vertical displacement (x) of the spring. The spring force is just equal but opposite to that of the force of gravity. Using Hooke's law the spring constant of a specific spring can be determined.
I know that the spring constant tells us the stiffness of the spring. I'm not sure how this would change if we were to use the same spring, unravelling it and then creating a larger diameter but lowering the number of coils. I think this would be difficult to test experimentally as the spring state would definitely be compromised. For some reason my mind is fuzzing out and I cannot think of whether changing the number of coils would affect the spring constant or stretch. I think maybe the spring would not stretch as far, keeping the mass applied the same, the spring constants would be different...but I'm still not sure. Help?
 
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You may need to think about how a spring works. Consider a very short section of the wire. As the load is applied, what deformation (primarily) occurs?
 
k = Gd4/[8nD3]

Where:

k = constant, pounds of load per inch of deflection
G = modulus of rigidity of spring material, pounds per square inch
d = wire diameter, inches
n = number of active coils, which is the number of coils subjected to flexure (always less than the total number of coils)
D = mean coil diameter, inches = Outer Diameter - Wire Diameter
 
Don't springs work on the concept of shearing stress -rigidity modulus?
changing the number of coils would change the natural length of the spring.
αR=θL
so required shear angle = θ
θ α R/L
and also F/A α θ
I don't know if this is even right!
Sorry if this could not help you.
 

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