Sqrt of y^2=x^2: Why y=x or y=-x?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical implications of the equation ##y^2 = x^2## and the reasoning behind the conclusion that ##y = x## or ##y = -x##, as opposed to suggesting that ##y = |x|## or ##y = -|x|##. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that taking the square root of both sides of ##y^2 = x^2## leads to ##|y| = |x|##, which implies ##y = x## or ##y = -x##.
  • Others argue that the interpretation of the absolute value could lead to the conclusion that ##y = |x|## or ##y = -|x|##, raising questions about the implications of absolute values in this context.
  • A participant presents an alternative approach by factoring the equation as ##(y - x)(y + x) = 0##, leading to the same conclusion of ##y = x## or ##y = -x##.
  • Another participant discusses the four cases arising from the absolute values of ##x## and ##y##, concluding that the two variables are identical up to a possible difference in their sign.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of absolute values in the context of the equation. While there is some agreement on the conclusion that ##y = x## or ##y = -x##, the reasoning behind this conclusion remains contested.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the variables and their signs are not explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the implications of absolute values in this context.

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Say we have that ##y^2 = x^2##. Then if we take the square root of both sides, it would seem that we have ##|y| = |x|##. Why does this imply that that ##y=x## or ##y=-x##, rather than implying that ##y=|x|## or ##y=- |x|##?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Say we have that ##y^2 = x^2##. Then if we take the square root of both sides, it would seem that we have ##|y| = |x|##. Why does this imply that that ##y=x## or ##y=-x##, rather than implying that ##y=|x|## or ##y=- |x|##?
The two answers are equivalent.

We agree that a = |x| means that
a = x or
a = -x.

If you let a = |y| then
(1) |y| = x or
(2) |y| = -x

But (1) x = |y| means x = y or x = -y and (2) -x = |y| means -x = y or -x = -y (i.e. x = y). So, y = x or y = -x.

AM
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Say we have that ##y^2 = x^2##. Then if we take the square root of both sides, it would seem that we have ##|y| = |x|##. Why does this imply that that ##y=x## or ##y=-x##, rather than implying that ##y=|x|## or ##y=- |x|##?
Why not just do this?
##y^2 = x^2 \Leftrightarrow y^2 - x^2 = 0 \Leftrightarrow (y - x)(y + x) = 0 \Leftrightarrow y = x \text{ or } y = -x##
 
Yet another approach:
If |x|=|y|, there are four cases:
x and y positive: then x=y
x positive, y negative: x=-y
x negative, y positive: x=-y
x and y negative: x=y
Combined, x=y or x=-y. In other words, the two variables are identical up to a possible difference in their sign.

I neglected the option x=y=0 here, but that fits to the answer as well.
 

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