Square wire in a cylindrical magnetic field

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The discussion focuses on calculating the magnetic force on a square wire in a cylindrical magnetic field, specifically when the axis of symmetry is oriented along the y-axis. Participants clarify the use of Cartesian coordinates and the significance of the angle φ in determining the magnetic force. The integrals involved are complex, and one user expresses confusion about the variables and the orientation of the magnetic field. The conversation emphasizes the need for clear definitions of variables and the simplification of trigonometric expressions for effective problem-solving.

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Homework Statement
A cylindrical region contains a magnetic field $$\vec{B}=k\hat{\phi}/s$$. A square loop of wire of side d is centered at the origin in the xz plane, with two sides parallel to the z axis. It carries a current I. In the segment of wire at x=d/2, the current is in the $$\hat{z}$$ direction. Find the force on the wire loop.
Relevant Equations
$$\vec{F_m}=\vec{I} \times \vec{B}$$

$$\vec{F_m}=(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{z} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi} dz)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{x} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi} dx)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{-z} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi} dz)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{-x} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi} dz)$$

$$x=rcos(\phi); y=rsin(\phi); z=z$$

$$r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2}; \phi=tan^-1(\frac{x}{y}); z=z$$
For if the axis of symmetry is oriented along the y-axis I have gotten as far as converting the main integral entirely to cartesian coordinates.

$$\hat{\phi}=-sin(\phi)\hat{x}+cos(\phi)\hat{y} \therefore \hat{\phi} =-sin(tan^{-1}(x/y))\hat{x}+cos(tan^{-1}(x/y))\hat{y}$$
$$\vec{F_m}=(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{z} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi} dz)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{x} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi} dx)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{-z} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi} dz)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{-x} \times \frac{k}{s} \hat{\phi}dz)$$is equal to
$$(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{z} \times \frac{k}{s}*(-sin(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{x}+cos(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{z}) dz)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{x} \times \frac{k}{s}*(-sin(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{x}+cos(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{z}) dx)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{-z} \times \frac{k}{s}*(-sin(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{x}+cos(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{z} dz)+(\int_{-d/2}^{d/2} I\hat{-x} \times \frac{k}{s}*(-sin(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{x}+cos(tan^{-1}(x/z))\hat{z}) dz)$$

I have no idea how to do any of these integrals, and being that the this is the first homework of the quarter I am beginning to think that it wasn't meant to be this hard.

Did I miss something in the description of the problem? is the field oriented so that the axis of symmetry is z? because that would evaluate the magnetic force to be 0 on the top and bottom wires and left on the wires positioned vertically at x=d/2 and x=-d/2.
 
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Konhbri said:
is the field oriented so that the axis of symmetry is z
Yes, to be precise, the axis of rotational symmetry. And:

In the x-z plane, isn't ##\phi=0## for ##x>0\ \Rightarrow \hat\phi = \hat y\ \ ## and ##\phi=\pi## for ##x<0\ \ \Rightarrow \hat\phi = -\hat y\ \ ## ?

In our old template, the first item was 'problem statement and known/unknown variables' ; in you case it isn't clear to me what ##s## stands for ?
 
Your work would be simpler if you avoided inane expressions like ##\sin[\tan^{-1}(\frac{x}{z})]##. You are looking for ##\sin\theta## when you know ##\tan\theta=\frac{x}{z}##. Well, you know that ##\tan\theta=\frac{opposite}{adjacent}## which means that you can identify "opposite" with ##x## and "adjacent" with ##z##. You also know that ##\sin\theta=\frac{opposite}{hypotenuse}##, therefore ##\sin\theta=\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+z^2}}.~## It's magical, no?
 

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