SR: Rapidity of two particles in uniform motion

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The problem involves two particles in uniform motion, where one particle A moves with a constant velocity and a second particle B pursues A, catching up after a specified proper time. The goal is to demonstrate a relationship between the rapidities of the two particles as measured in a specific frame of reference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of hyperbolic trigonometric identities to relate the rapidities of the two particles. There is an exploration of equations involving velocities and proper time, with attempts to derive relationships between the rapidities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using hyperbolic identities to simplify the problem. There is recognition of the need to understand these identities better, and some participants express uncertainty about their familiarity with them. The discussion reflects a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem is part of a larger context from a previous undergraduate paper, which may influence their familiarity with certain mathematical tools and identities. There is also mention of the challenge in recognizing specific hyperbolic identities relevant to the problem.

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Homework Statement


A particle leaves the spatial origin P of O at time [itex]t=0[/itex] and constant velocity. After a time t as measured by O, a second particle B leaves P at a different constant velocity and in pursuit of A. B catches A after proper-time t as measured by B. Show that the rapidity of B with respect to O is twice the rapidity of A with respect to O.

Homework Equations


I assign the coordinates [itex](t', x')[/itex] within this frame (slightly counter-intuitive I know, but the problem has already denoted some variables as unprimed, which I might otherwise want to use). I'm not adept at drawing diagrams in LaTeX, so I won't bother. However, as I envisaged the problem, the worldlines of particles A and B are as follows:

[tex]t'_A(x')=x'/v_A[/tex]
[tex]t'_B(x')=t + x'/v_B[/tex]

I label the event where they meet as [itex](t'_1,x'_1)[/itex]. So we have the equality

[tex]x'_1 \left(\frac{1}{v_A}-\frac{1}{v_B}\right)=t\,\,\,\,\,\,\,(1)[/tex]

We have the fact that the proper-time as measured by the particle B also happens to be t. I could think of two ways to write that:

[tex]t=\gamma_B (t'_1-t)\,\,\,\,\,\,\,(2)[/tex]

and also as (which I think is correct)

[tex]c^2(t'_1-t)^2-x'_1^2=c^2 t^2\,\,\,\,\,\,\,(3)[/tex]

I list some handy rapidity based relations (where the rapidity, [itex]\phi,[/itex] is related to the velocity, v,):

[tex]\beta = \frac{v}{c} = \tanh(\phi)[/tex]
[tex]\gamma = (1-\beta^2)^{-1/2} = \cosh(\phi)[/tex]
[tex]\beta \gamma = \sinh(\phi)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


My method of attack was to use the equation (1) and either (2)/(3) and obtain some relation between the velocities of both particles, which I could then take the artanh of to get the rapidities.

Processing equation (1) gave me

[tex]t=x'_1\left(\frac{v_B - v_A}{v_A v_B}\right).[/tex]

Substituting this into (2) gave me

[tex]\left(\frac{v_B - v_A}{v_A v_B}\right) (1+\gamma_B)=\frac{t'_1}{x'_1}=\frac{1}{v_A}[/tex]

Playing around with fractions ended up giving me

[tex]v_A = v_B \left( \frac{\gamma_B}{1+\gamma_B} \right)[/tex]

Using the definitions/relations regarding rapidity above, I still couldn't get to the answer I wanted, which is

[tex]\phi_B = 2 \phi_A[/tex]

Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks for reading this long question!
 
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You're second to last equation is right. To derive the last one, note that since tanh is one to one, it's equivalent to show tanh(\phi_B)=tanh(2\phi_A), or:

[tex]v_A = \tanh(\phi_A) = \tanh(\phi_B/2)[/tex]

Try rewriting the last term using hyperbolic trig identities.
 
StatusX:

Thank you for your reply. Huh! The answer was right under my nose, all I needed to do was look up the trig. identities.

This problem was the last part of a question in a previous undergrad. SR paper. How was I meant to know the identity? Is there an obvious route for its derivation? It's just that I'd never seen it before, and so didn't recognise it, even though I came across the expression

[tex]\tanh(\phi_A) = v_A = \frac{\sinh(\phi_B)}{1+\cosh(\phi_B)}[/tex]

I just didn't realize this was equivalent to [itex]\tanh(\phi_B/2)[/itex]

Anyway, many thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
 
One easy way to work with hyperbolic trig functions is to use the change of variables y=e^x. Then you get, eg, sinh(x)=1/2(y-1/y), and:

[tex]\tanh(x) = \frac{y^2-1}{y^2+1}[/tex]

And since [itex]e^{x/2}=\sqrt{y}[/itex], we get:

[tex]\tanh(x/2) = \frac{y-1}{y+1} = \frac{y^2-1}{(y+1)^2}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{y-1/y}{y+1/y+2} =\frac{\sinh(x)}{\cosh(x)+1}[/tex]
 
StatusX said:
One easy way to work with hyperbolic trig functions is to use the change of variables y=e^x.

So it does. Thanks again.
 

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