Stadium EEG: Measuring Crowd Brain Waves during Football Games

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of measuring the aggregate brain waves of a stadium crowd using a state-of-the-art EEG system positioned at midfield. Participants explore the technical limitations and theoretical implications of such measurements, considering factors like electrical conductivity and the nature of electromagnetic waves.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the aggregate brain waves from a stadium crowd can be detected by an EEG, suggesting that the electrical conductivity of air is too low for such measurements.
  • One participant proposes a rephrased question about measuring brain waves related to political decisions, hinting at potential funding for such studies.
  • There is a discussion about the ability of electromagnetic waves to travel through air, with some participants asserting that the frequencies detected by EEG do not propagate effectively over distance.
  • Another participant mentions that EEG signals may be too small and could be overwhelmed by background radiation, raising the possibility of enhancing detection through synchronous crowd tasks and environmental modifications.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the size of antennas needed to capture low-frequency signals, with a reference to the differences between EEG electrodes and antennas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express skepticism about the feasibility of detecting crowd brain waves with an EEG at midfield, but there are differing views on the potential for enhanced detection under specific conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical implications and methodologies.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the nature of brain wave emissions, the effectiveness of EEG technology at distance, and the influence of environmental factors on signal detection.

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Can the aggregate brain waves from a stadium crowd register on a state-of-the-art EEG at midfield?
 
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Loren Booda said:
Can the aggregate brain waves from a stadium crowd register on a state-of-the-art EEG at midfield?

Loren, perhaps if you re-phrase the question slightly - Can the aggregate brain waves from a stadium crowd regarding a political decision register on a state-of-the-art EEG at midfield?

You MIGHT find there are millions of dollars available in the stimulus to study the problem?:smile:

I'm sorry, it's been a long day.
 
The electrical conductivity of air is extremely low, so the answer is no.
 
Monique said:
The electrical conductivity of air is extremely low, so the answer is no.

I assumed they would still use sensors and the question had to do with the collective information gathered?
 
Monique said:
The electrical conductivity of air is extremely low, so the answer is no.

But electromagnetic waves of may frequencies can travel a long distance through air.
 
atyy said:
But electromagnetic waves of may frequencies can travel a long distance through air.

The ones being detected by EEG don't. Otherwise, do you think they'd waste all that time gluing electrodes to someone's head if they could just set up a monitor next to them?
 
Moonbear said:
The ones being detected by EEG don't. Otherwise, do you think they'd waste all that time gluing electrodes to someone's head if they could just set up a monitor next to them?

Well, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroencephalography it looks like it's about 10 Hz, and from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_waves these are used for communicating with submarines. Maybe it's just that these signals are very small, and would be swamped by background radiation from other sources? But the OP said state of the art, and what if we helped by insulating the stadium etc., and helped by having the whole stadium do the same task synchronously - say an oddball task - what is the calculated size of the collective N100 as a function of distance?

Maybe this should be moved to classical physics :smile:
 
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