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In the discussion on linearly independent vectors in a vector space, it is established that if vectors are linearly independent, then coefficients in their linear combinations must be equal when the combinations yield the same result. The equivalence between a vector not being in the span of a set of vectors and the linear independence of the vector with that set is confirmed. The number of elements in the span of linearly independent vectors is calculated based on the number of choices from the field, leading to a formula for counting vectors that maintain linear independence. Additionally, the discussion outlines a method for determining the number of ordered bases in a vector space by considering the choices available for each basis vector while ensuring they remain linearly independent. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding dimensions and spans in vector spaces.
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Let $\mathbb{K}$ a field and let $V$ a $\mathbb{K}$-vector space. Let $1\leq m, n\in \mathbb{N}$ and $n=\dim_{\mathbb{K}}V$. Let $v_1, \ldots , v_m\in V$ be linearly independent.
  1. Let $\lambda_1, \ldots , \lambda_m, \mu_1, \ldots , \mu_m\in \mathbb{K}$ such that $\displaystyle{\sum_{i=1}^m\lambda_iv_i=\sum_{i=1}^m\mu_iv_i}$. Then show that $\lambda_i=\mu_i$ for all $1\leq i\leq m$.
  2. Let $w\in V$. Then show that $w\notin \text{span}(v_1, \ldots , v_m) \iff v_1, \ldots , v_m, w$ linearly independent.
  3. Let $2\leq q\in \mathbb{N}$ with $|\mathbb{K}|=q$. Then show that $ \text{span}(v_1, \ldots , v_m) $ has $q^m$ elements and determine the number of vectors $w\in V$ such that $v_1, \ldots, v_m, w$ are linearly independent.
  4. Let $2\leq q\in \mathbb{N}$ with $|\mathbb{K}|=q$. Then show that $$\prod_{i=0}^{n-1}(q^n-q^i)=(q^n-1)(q^n-q)\cdots (q^n-q^{n-2})(q^n-q^{n-1})$$ the number of (ordered) bases of $V$.

For question 1, I have done the following:
\begin{align*}\sum_{i=1}^m\lambda_iv_i=\sum_{i=1}^m\mu_iv_i &\Rightarrow \sum_{i=1}^m\lambda_iv_i-\sum_{i=1}^m\mu_iv_i=0\\ & \Rightarrow \sum_{i=1}^m\left (\lambda_i-\mu_i\right )v_i=0 \\ & \ \overset{v_1, \ldots , v_m\text{ linear unabhängig}}{\Longrightarrow } \ \lambda_i-\mu_i=0, \ \forall i\in \{1, \ldots , m\} \\ & \Rightarrow \lambda_i=\mu_i, \ \forall i\in \{1, \ldots , m\}\end{align*}

For question 2, do we have to reformulate the equivalence into:
\begin{equation*}w\in \text{span}(v_1, \ldots , v_m) \iff v_1, \ldots , v_m, w\text{ linearly dependent }\end{equation*}
or can we show the equivalance in the given form? 🤔
But what would then $w\notin \text{span}(v_1, \ldots , v_m)$ mean? That $\displaystyle{w\neq\sum_{i=1}^m\alpha_iv_i }$ ? Could you give me a hint for questions 3 & 4 ?
 
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What does "|K|" mean?
 
Country Boy said:
What does "|K|" mean?

It's the dimension.
 
Hi mathmari,

Very interesting set of questions.

Question 2
Yes, nicely done. We can reformulate the statement this way and it is a good idea to do so.

Question 3
For the number of elements in the span, note that for each $v_{i}$, there are $q$ choices from $\mathbb{K}$ for $v_{i}$'s coefficient. Hence, by the fundamental counting principle, there are $q^{m}$ total elements in their span.

For the second part, I will start off with an example that highlights all the important features of the general proof. Take a look and see if you can extend these ideas. If anything is unclear, certainly feel free to let me know.

Suppose $n=5$ and $m=2$. Let $v_{3},v_{4},$ and $v_{5}$ be vectors such that $\{v_{1}, v_{2}, v_{3}, v_{4}, v_{5}\}$ is a basis for $V$. Consider a vector of the form $$w=\sum_{i=1}^{5}a_{i}v_{i}.$$ The key here is to determine what condition must be placed on $a_{3}, a_{4}$ and $a_{5}$ to guarantee that $w$ will be linearly independent from $v_{1}$ and $v_{2}$. Can you think of anything that would do the trick? I will leave it at this for now but am certainly happy to help more if need be.

Question 4
This question relies heavily on having a proof/formula from Question 3, so I will refrain on the details of this until then. However, using the formula we discover in Question 3, we simply use it repeatedly to deduce the desired result.
 
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GJA said:
Question 3
For the number of elements in the span, note that for each $v_{i}$, there are $q$ choices from $\mathbb{K}$ for $v_{i}$'s coefficient. Hence, by the fundamental counting principle, there are $q^{m}$ total elements in their span.

For the second part, I will start off with an example that highlights all the important features of the general proof. Take a look and see if you can extend these ideas. If anything is unclear, certainly feel free to let me know.

Suppose $n=5$ and $m=2$. Let $v_{3},v_{4},$ and $v_{5}$ be vectors such that $\{v_{1}, v_{2}, v_{3}, v_{4}, v_{5}\}$ is a basis for $V$. Consider a vector of the form $$w=\sum_{i=1}^{5}a_{i}v_{i}.$$ The key here is to determine what condition must be placed on $a_{3}, a_{4}$ and $a_{5}$ to guarantee that $w$ will be linearly independent from $v_{1}$ and $v_{2}$. Can you think of anything that would do the trick? I will leave it at this for now but am certainly happy to help more if need be.

Do we use here the question 2, and $w$ must not be in the span of the vectors? :unsure:
 
Exactly right, great job connecting the ideas. Can you determine a condition/requirement on $a_{3}, a_{4}$ and $a_{5}$ that would ensure $w$ is not in the span of $v_{1}$ and $v_{2}$?
 
GJA said:
Exactly right, great job connecting the ideas. Can you determine a condition/requirement on $a_{3}, a_{4}$ and $a_{5}$ that would ensure $w$ is not in the span of $v_{1}$ and $v_{2}$?

The coefficients $a_3,a_4,a_5$ should not be all equal to zero, right?
 
Yeah, that's it! So now we know that $a_{1}$ and $a_{2}$ can be any elements from $\mathbb{K}$, and that $a_{3}, a_{4},$ and $a_{5}$ can't all be zero. Can you use these pieces of information to count the total number of elements $w$ from $V$ such that $v_{1}, v_{2}, w$ are linearly dependent?
 
Do we do for question 3 the following?

We consider the vectors $w\in V$ such that $v_1, \ldots , v_m, w$ are linearly independent. For the question 2 it holds that $w\notin \text{Lin}(v_1, \ldots , v_m)$.
The dimension of $V$ is $n$ and we have that $|\mathbb{K}|=q$.
It holds that \begin{equation*}q^n=\left (\#\text{ linearly independent vectors to }v_1, \ldots , v_m \right )+\left (\#\text{ linearly dependent vectors to }v_1, \ldots , v_m \right )\end{equation*}
The number of dependent vectors to $v_1, \ldots , v_m$ is the number of vectors in the span of $v_1, \ldots , v_m$. Since the span contains $q^m$ elements, tehre are $q^m$ elements $w$ such that $\displaystyle{w=\sum_{i=1}^m\alpha_iv_i}$.
Therefore the number of vectors that are linear independent to $v_1, \ldots , v_m$ is equal to $q^n-q^m$.

:unsure:For question 4:

Do we use question 3 for different values of $m$ ?

Or do we do the following:

There are $q^n$ elements in the vector space and so for the first choice for the basis there are $q^n-1$ ways ($0$ is excluded).
This vector generates a subspace of dimension $q$ and so for the second one there are $q^n-q$ ways.
If we continue we get that the number of ordered bases of $V$ is equal to \begin{equation*}(q^n-1)(q^{n-1}-q)\cdots (q^n-q^{n-2})(q^n-q^{n-1})=\prod_{i=0}^{n-1}(q^n-q^i)\end{equation*}

:unsure:
 
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Yes, this is all correct. Nicely done!

Edit: A minor point of correction. Your post says " This vector generates a subspace of dimension $q$..." This is not correct. A single vector generates a 1-dimensional subspace. There are $q$ total elements in this 1-dimensional subspace, but the space itself is still 1-dimensional. This is just like how the $x$-axis in $\mathbb{R}^{2}$ contains infinitely many vectors but, as a whole, is 1-dimensional.

The slightly corrected version of your idea would be to select a single non-zero vector, say $b_{1}$, to be the first basis element for $V$. Because we must exclude zero, there are $q^{n}-1$ ways to do this. The next vector we choose must be linearly independent of $b_{1}$. Since the span of $b_{1}$ is 1-dimensional, from Question 3 we know there are $q^{n}-q$ choices for $b_{2}.$ By induction, if the first $m-1$ basis elements are selected, Question 3 tells us there are $q^{n}-q^{m-1}$ ways to select the next basis element $b_{m}$ so that $b_{m}$ is linearly independent of $b_{1}, b_{2},\ldots, b_{m-1}$. Equivalently, $b_{m}$ is not part of the $m-1$ dimensional subspace spanned by $b_{1}, b_{2},\ldots, b_{m-1}$. As you've correctly stated, multiplying these values together gives the total number of ordered bases for $V$ over the field $\mathbb{K}$.
 
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mathmari said:
It's the dimension.
K is a field, not a vector space. What do you mean by "dimension" of a field?
 

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