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The discussion revolves around a statistical physics problem from MIT's OpenCourseWare, specifically Problem 1a, which involves understanding the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature in different gas systems. Participants express confusion regarding the setup and approach to the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss whether to set equations equal to each other or to derive equations for temperature in terms of other variables. There is a suggestion to assume ideal gas behavior and reference to lecture notes for guidance. Questions arise about the definitions of variables and the implications of equilibrium conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the zeroth law of thermodynamics and the relationships between the variables, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

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Participants note that the problem may not require the assumption of ideal gases and question the definitions of the predictor variables in relation to equilibrium conditions. There is uncertainty about whether there is a single correct answer to the problem.

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http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-044Spring-2004/AC9B128C-9358-4177-BFE6-A142E0FD897B/0/ps4.pdf
I am working on Problem 1a. I am really confused about this question. Do I set the two equations equal to each other and solve for something? Do I just randomly write down 3 equations for t in terms of the respective variables of the 3 systems and then plug the given equations into to them to see if they are equal?

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Try assuming the gases are ideal and use the correct equation of state. Did you read the lecture notes?
 
Yes, I read the lecture notes. Speaking of that, go here http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Physics/8-044Spring-2004/D4B27A47-C2E6-4D06-B646-177DC744CC2A/0/lec10.pdf
In the third slide, why is the predictor t = c_g PV/N and not t = c_g PV/NT ? It seems like they want the same constant whenever the system is in equilibrium, so doesn't that mean they want the same constant regardless of what T is at equilibrium.
In the current problem, they say the coordinates of the system are P and V, so I assume that means N is constant. So, can I define t = PV-nbP, t'' = P''V'' and then the first equation makes t = t'' at equilibrium, but I have no idea what to do about the second equation? Should I just guess and check or is there a systematic way to do this? Is there only one answer?
 
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If temperature is the predictor of thermal equilibrium, then is it better to define the predictor to be t = c_g PV/N or t = c_g PV/NT for an ideal gas? It seems to me that the first one is a better match for the ideal gas law PV = nRT. The other way doesn't make much sense from a dimensional point of view.

But I see now that you don't need to assume ideal gases in problem 1a. Use the zeroth law: if A and C are at equilibrium and B and C are at equilibium, then A and B are at equilibium. Try calculating P'' from the first equation and from the second equation and setting the values equal to each other. Use your definitions t = PV-nbP and t'' = P''V'', and t' should emerge.
 

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