Statistical Thermo Grad Course: Advice on Math, Fuel Cell vs Solar?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around preparing for a graduate course in statistical thermodynamics, with a focus on the necessary mathematical background and the relevance of classical thermodynamics. Participants also explore the decision between specializing in fuel cell development or solar thermal processes, and whether to take an electrochemistry course concurrently.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses familiarity with classical thermodynamics and seeks advice on additional mathematical topics to prepare for statistical thermodynamics.
  • Another participant suggests that advanced calculus and statistics, as well as knowledge of quantum mechanics, would be beneficial.
  • A different participant questions whether to focus on relativistic or non-relativistic quantum mechanics, indicating a need for more knowledge in quantum theory.
  • One reply emphasizes that non-relativistic quantum mechanics is sufficient and suggests that quantum mechanics plays a minor role in statistical mechanics, while stressing the importance of understanding thermodynamic relationships.
  • Another participant asserts that statistical thermodynamics differs significantly from classical thermodynamics, despite the four laws being the same.
  • One participant argues that engineering thermodynamics is designed for practical application and does not delve into theoretical aspects as deeply as physics thermodynamics does.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement regarding the differences between thermodynamics in engineering and physics, with some participants asserting that they are fundamentally different, while others maintain that the core principles remain the same. The discussion on the relevance of quantum mechanics also reflects varying opinions on its importance in the context of statistical thermodynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specific mathematical requirements and the extent to which quantum mechanics is necessary for understanding statistical thermodynamics. The discussion also highlights differing perspectives on the theoretical versus practical applications of thermodynamics.

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I'm planning on taking a statistical thermodynamics grad course this Fall. Being an ME I am very familiar with classical thermo but what other topics should I be keen on? Any specific field of mathematics like abstract alg(only math I have not taken) I should be worried about?

Also, I am planning on specializing in fuel cell development or solar thermolic processes, I can't decide. Any insight on this decision and should I plan on taking a course in electrochemistry next semester as well? I'm going to a small school(read not high ranked) and they will let me take just about anything related to my field.
 
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advanced calculus and statistics, Knowing quantum would help also
 
Eh, Iv already taken all levels of those courses and know them fairly well. I do need to learn more about quantum though. Should I be looking at relative or non-relative quantum?
 
non-relavistic qm, don't worry about qm to much it only plays a small role in stat mech. Know your thermodynamics relationships really well.
 
Topher925 said:
I'm planning on taking a statistical thermodynamics grad course this Fall. Being an ME I am very familiar with classical thermo

Totally different.

But it doesn't matter, because the approach is fairly simple. All you have to be good at is algebra, calculus, some statistics (like one quarter's worth), thermo will help, and some good hand-waving skills are necessary. Most of the derivations just leave me going "Wait, what just happened?"

Knowing 1 quarter of QM is also good.

Besides that you'll be fine.

Do you know what book you'll be using?
 
Thanks for the advice. No, I don't know the text yet. But the professor that teaches it is fricken awesome. The course description says that a large part of the class is a review of thermodynamics. Is thermodynamics in physics really that different from thermo for engineers? I mean, the four laws are the four laws right?
 
thermodynamics is the same for everyone, but statistical thermodynamics is a whole different game. It can reduce to regular thermo, but it plays at a much, much lower level.
 
tmc said:
thermodynamics is the same for everyone

No, it is definitely NOT the same for everyone.

Thermo for engineers is drastically different than thermo for physics. Engineering thermo doesn't go into theory as much, but it's designed so that you can actually use it in a real setting. Physics thermodynamics is a joke in that regard, because you assume everything is perfect essentially.
 

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