Stefan-Boltzmann's law, atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around understanding the temperature dynamics inside a car compared to its surroundings when exposed to sunlight, using a simplified model analogous to atmospheric behavior. The original poster explores the implications of Stefan-Boltzmann's law in determining equilibrium temperature, considering the Earth as a black body and introducing the atmosphere as a layer that transmits solar radiation while absorbing and re-emitting thermal radiation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of temperature without atmospheric considerations, noting the high value obtained and questioning the assumptions regarding solar radiation absorption and reflection. They explore the role of atmospheric emissivity and the balance of incoming and outgoing radiation in determining equilibrium temperature.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the complexities of the model, including the effects of albedo and the geometry of radiation absorption and emission. Some have proposed calculations for equilibrium temperature, while others have pointed out factors that complicate the analysis, such as the emissivity of the atmosphere.

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There is an acknowledgment of missing information regarding the atmospheric emissivity and the effects of albedo on the calculations. Participants are also considering the implications of treating the atmosphere as a perfect black body versus other potential models.

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Homework Statement


To understand why it's hotter inside a car than its surrounding when exposed to sunlight, let's try a simplificate model that is equivalent to what happens with the atomosphere. To start, let's suppose that the Earth's surface is flat and that it behaves like a black body for the sunlight (forget about the atmosphere for a moment). There will be a radiation flow over the surface of the Earth coming from the Sun (1350W/m²) that will produce a heating that will eventually reach an equilibrium temperature given by Stefan-Boltzmann's law. Let's now introduce in our model the atmosphere, under the form of a glass a few meters over the Earth's surface that let pass all the radiation from the Sun but that behaves like a black body for the Earth's radiation. Determine the equilibrium temperature of this situation.


Homework Equations


P/A=\varepsilon \sigma T^4.


The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the temperature without considering the atmosphere with the given equation. This gave me about 392.81K which seems somehow big to me but possible after all.
Now I consider the atmosphere. I've made a sketch but I get confused on how to solve the problem. Basically I consider a "ray" of sunlight passing through the atmosphere, reaching the Earth. The Earth will then emit as if it was a body at 392.81 K. The atmosphere will aborb this radiation and re-emit it since it behaves as a black body. I can continue this process ad infinitum and don't reach anything.
If I remember well, the solution contained infinite series. Can someone help me a bit?
 
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fluidistic said:
I calculated the temperature without considering the atmosphere with the given equation. This gave me about 392.81K which seems somehow big to me but possible after all.
This value is high for two reasons.
  1. Not all of the incoming solar radiation is absorbed by the surface. Some is absorbed by the atmosphere, some is reflected, mostly by clouds. The Earth's albedo is about 0.3.
  2. The Earth's cross section to the incoming radiation is the area of a circle with radius RE while the outgoing radiation is emitted from the surface of a sphere with radius RE.

Now I consider the atmosphere. I've made a sketch but I get confused on how to solve the problem. Basically I consider a "ray" of sunlight passing through the atmosphere, reaching the Earth. The Earth will then emit as if it was a body at 392.81 K. The atmosphere will aborb this radiation and re-emit it since it behaves as a black body. I can continue this process ad infinitum and don't reach anything.
Assuming an atmospheric emissivity of 1, the upper atmosphere emits as if was a black body at the equilibrium temperature -- inward and outward. The surface receives the incoming solar radiation plus the thermal radiation from the atmosphere. To be in balance, the energy from the outgoing thermal radiation from the surface must equal this incoming energy to the surface. It gets a little hairier (but not much) if the emissivity of the atmosphere is less than 1.
 
D H said:
This value is high for two reasons.
  1. Not all of the incoming solar radiation is absorbed by the surface. Some is absorbed by the atmosphere, some is reflected, mostly by clouds. The Earth's albedo is about 0.3.
  2. The Earth's cross section to the incoming radiation is the area of a circle with radius RE while the outgoing radiation is emitted from the surface of a sphere with radius RE.
Ah I see, thanks.

Assuming an atmospheric emissivity of 1, the upper atmosphere emits as if was a black body at the equilibrium temperature -- inward and outward. The surface receives the incoming solar radiation plus the thermal radiation from the atmosphere. To be in balance, the energy from the outgoing thermal radiation from the surface must equal this incoming energy to the surface. It gets a little hairier (but not much) if the emissivity of the atmosphere is less than 1.
Ah ok, I totally missed the part that the atmosphere will also emit in space. In fact in my draft I considered it as a mirror. I just corrected it now thanks to your post.
Does this make sense if I say that the Earth absorbs (and also emits) in total \sum _{n=0}^{\infty } \frac{P}{2^n}=2P? If so, I calculated the new equilibrium temperature to be around 467.13K.
 
That 467.13 looks good. That is of course ignoring albedo, the difference between cross section and surface area, and the emissivity of that atmosphere.
 
D H said:
That 467.13 looks good. That is of course ignoring albedo, the difference between cross section and surface area, and the emissivity of that atmosphere.

Ok thank you very much!:biggrin:
 

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