Stimulated emission. Energy of the photon inducing the emission.

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The discussion revolves around the conditions necessary for stimulated emission in atoms, particularly focusing on the energy of the photon required for this process. Participants explore the relationship between photon energy and atomic energy levels, the implications of energy mismatches, and the effects of various broadening mechanisms on energy levels.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether stimulated emission can occur if the photon energy is slightly less or more than the energy difference between atomic levels, and where the excess or deficit energy might go or come from.
  • Another participant confirms that energy levels in atoms are not perfectly discrete due to the time-energy uncertainty principle, allowing for the absorption of photons with slightly different energies.
  • A participant raises the issue of linewidth due to the uncertainty principle and compares it to linewidth caused by the Doppler effect, suggesting that the latter is more significant.
  • Further discussion includes the Stark effect and its role in line broadening, with a participant explaining that it results from the perturbation of energy levels by nearby atoms, noting that its impact is typically between that of natural and thermal broadening.
  • Mathematical expressions for natural and thermal broadening are provided, indicating the dependence on various factors such as mass, wavelength, and lifetime of the excited state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of finite linewidths due to various effects, but there is no consensus on the exact implications of photon energy mismatches for stimulated emission or the relative significance of the different broadening mechanisms discussed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific definitions of linewidth and the conditions under which stimulated emission occurs, as well as the unresolved nature of how energy mismatches affect the probability of stimulated emission.

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In order to produce stimulated emission we need a photon which has the same energy as the difference is the lower and upper energy levels in the excited atom. But how exactly the energy of the photon does have to correspond to the energy difference between the levels. Can stimulated emission still occur if the photon has little less or little more?

If so, where does the rest of the energy come from or where does the rest of the energy go?
Can we get the extra energy from or put the rest in some form of collisional energy?

If we have a photon that does not exactly match for the energy of the energy levels will the stimulated emission then be only less probable according to the stimulated emission cross section.

Einstein's coefficient for stimulated emission should in this case only be for a photon of the exact energy?
 
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Energy levels in atoms aren't exactly discrete, they do have some finite width in energy due to the time-energy uncertainty principle. The natural width is pretty small, but photons with slightly different energy can be absorbed by an atom.

If we have a photon that does not exactly match for the energy of the energy levels will the stimulated emission then be only less probable according to the stimulated emission cross section.
Yes, that is true, the absorption cross section is a lorentzian function. It is peaked at the wavelength corresponding to the energy difference, then falls of on either side.
 
AstroRoyale said:
Energy levels in atoms aren't exactly discrete, they do have some finite width in energy due to the time-energy uncertainty principle. The natural width is pretty small, but photons with slightly different energy can be absorbed by an atom.

So how large will the linewidth be due this uncertainty principle? I guess that it will be quite insignificant for example when compared to linewidth caused by Doppler-effect.

And what about this Stark effect line broadening? What is the process behind this broadening?
 
Yes, the natural width due to the unceratinty relations is really small, much less than the effect of the thermal motions. For thermal broadening the width is,

\frac{2 \lambda}{c}\sqrt\frac{2kTln(2)}{m}

So it depends on the mass and wavelength if the line, but say ~0.1 angstroms is in the ballpark

and for natural broadening the width is

\frac{\lambda^2}{\pi c t_0}

where t_0 is the lifetime, about 10^(-8) seconds or so. So this gives a natural line width of ~10^-4 angstroms.

The stark effect is an effect of nearby atoms, the elcetric field of at ion or atom slghtly perturbs the energy levels of the atoms. In most cases it is pretty small, unless the density of particles is high. I can't remember the numebers off hand, but I'm pretty sure that it is more than natural and less than thermal in most cases.

doppler > collisional > natural (for most cases . . .)
 

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