Stochastic & Chaotic: Examining Evolution

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This discussion examines the relationship between stochastic processes and chaotic systems, specifically in the context of Hamiltonian mechanics. It establishes that a chaotic system, characterized by deterministic solutions to Hamilton's equations, cannot be transformed into a stochastic system, which incorporates random variables. The participants emphasize that the inherent properties of chaotic systems preclude the introduction of randomness without fundamentally altering the system's nature. Thus, the conclusion is that stochastic processes cannot be considered chaotic due to their differing foundational characteristics.

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Can we consider a stochastic process being chaotic?

consider evolution of only two particular systems with closed initial states (not ensemble or statistical properties of the system)
 
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Not in general- a 'chaotic' system has specific properties associated with it.
 
The hamiltonian of a stochastic system have a random variable so the solutions of the hamilton equations cannot be deterministic. The hamiltonians of a chaotics systems do not have random variable so the solutions of the hamilton equations are deterministic. You have to transform your deterministic hamiltonian into a hamiltonian with a random variable and I think that is imposible.
 

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