Strings as preons: does string theory allow muons to decay directly into e- + y

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the implications of string theory regarding the decay of muons into electrons and photons. Participants explore whether string theory allows for such decay directly, considering the differences in string tension between particles, and how this relates to preon theories and their associated problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in string theory, the only difference between an electron and a muon is the string's tension, raising the question of whether muons could decay directly into electrons and photons.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the role of frequencies in the string model and seeks clarification.
  • A later reply confirms that the particle spectrum in string theory is indeed constructed from the normal modes of vibration, which are associated with pure frequencies of a quantum oscillator.
  • Concerns are raised that if string theory cannot prevent muons from decaying into electrons and photons, this could imply that string theory is false.
  • One participant argues that not all string models support the idea that the only difference between particles is string tension, mentioning alternative models that involve strings wrapped around manifolds and different branes.
  • Another participant reiterates that the simple model presented may be an oversimplification from popular literature and emphasizes that it is not fundamentally about frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of string tension and frequencies in string theory, with some agreeing on the vibrational aspect while others challenge the simplifications made. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these points for string theory and muon decay.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note limitations in understanding the complexities of string models, including the specifics of how particles appear and the implications of different string configurations on decay processes.

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strings as preons: does string theory allow muons to decay directly into e- + photon, given that the only difference between an electron and a muon, in string theory, is the string's tension? Of course, that's not how muons decay, (they decay into a W- boson, which decays into an electron and electron neutrino) but in string theory, all particles of the standard model are just different frequencies of one fundamental string. Graphically, it's not all that much different than Bilson's ribbon model, where all particles are made of braiding of a ribbon. In strings, all particles of the standard model are made of one string, whose frequency (tension) differs.

If string theory is unable to prevent muons from decaying directly into electrons and photons, in contradiction to observation, doesn't this provide evidence that string theory is false?

String theory has always struck me as a kind of preon theory.

would string theory suffer from many of the problems preons theory have, including mass paradox and t'Hooft anomy matching?

However string theory explains the decay of a fundamental string of a muon into a W- boson, rather than directly into an electron and photon, could that explanation be used for preon theory? However string theory gets around mass paradox or t'Hooft anomly matching, could those explanations be applied to proposed preon models?
 
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I do not know how do the particles appear in the string model, but I am almost sure it is not about frequencies. Anyone willing to explain?
 
arivero said:
I do not know how do the particles appear in the string model, but I am almost sure it is not about frequencies. Anyone willing to explain?


Ah, but it is. The particle spectrum of the string is constructed from the normal modes of its vibration. And normal modes are a set of "pure frequencies" of a quantum oscillator, which can be used to generate the given vibration.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Ah, but it is. The particle spectrum of the string is constructed from the normal modes of its vibration. And normal modes are a set of "pure frequencies" of a quantum oscillator, which can be used to generate the given vibration.

If string theory is unable to prevent muons from decaying directly into electrons and photons, in contradiction to observation, doesn't this provide evidence that string theory is false?
 
bananan said:
the only difference between an electron and a muon, in string theory, is the string's tension

Certainly not all string models of low energy physics obey this. Some of them have the strings wrapped n times around some arm of a C-Y manifold for the different generations, which would preclude the decay you mention, and others would regard different low energy particles as different strings spanning two (possibly different) branes. I don't know the details of any of this; Zuebach's book hs an example of one such model. But the simple model you quote is probably only some oversimplification from a popularized book.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Certainly not all string models of low energy physics obey this. Some of them have the strings wrapped...
So it is not about frequencies in a fundamental way.
 

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