Strong nuclear force vs. electromagnetism

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The discussion centers on the comparison between the strong nuclear force (SNF) and electromagnetism (EM), specifically exploring which force is stronger, how this has been demonstrated, and whether there are scenarios where the weaker force might be considered stronger. The scope includes theoretical considerations and implications in nuclear physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the strong nuclear force is stronger than electromagnetism at short distances (less than 1 femtometer), as indicated by the Yukawa potential energy model.
  • Others argue that while the strong force is dominant at short ranges, the electromagnetic force becomes stronger at larger distances, particularly beyond 1 femtometer.
  • One participant notes that atomic nuclei do not disintegrate due to electromagnetic repulsion, suggesting that a stronger force must be acting to hold them together.
  • Another participant mentions that the electromagnetic force plays a role in processes like spontaneous fission, indicating its significant effects in certain contexts.
  • A later reply discusses how the effective strength of the electromagnetic force can be reduced due to proximity effects, complicating the comparison between the two forces.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which each force is stronger, with no consensus reached on a definitive comparison of their strengths across all scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the conditions under which the forces operate, such as distance scales and the effects of proximity on electromagnetic interactions. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the specific energy scales involved in nuclear fusion and electromagnetic repulsion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying nuclear physics, particle physics, or anyone exploring the fundamental forces of nature and their interactions.

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Hello,

I'm wondering, which force is stronger, SNF or EM, how was it proven that specific force is stronger than the other, and are there actually any cases where the weaker force is actually the stronger one.

Thanks for all the help
 
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The Coulomb EM potential energy of two protons can be written as
V_EM=e^2/r, while the Yukawa potential energy (the Strong Force equivalent of the EM Coulomb potenetial energy) of two protons is
V_S=g^2 exp(-r/r_0)/r. In appropriate units (called "natural units"),
e^2 and g^2 are dimensionless coupling constants, with
e^2=1/137 and g^2~1, and r_0~1 fm. Thus at short distances
(r<1 fm or so), where the exponential factor is large, the Strong Force is stronger than EM. However, as r increases above 1 fm, the EM force becomes stronger than the Strong Force.
 
A simpler way to see that the strong force beats EM is to note that atomic nuclei don't fly apart. Any nucleus with two or more protons experiences EM repulsion between the protons. Some stronger force must be holding them together.
 
The EM force causes U235 to fly apart in spontaneous fission.
 
The EM force is reduced by proximity as the field of one proton reaching beyond the field of the other proton attracts rather than repels ... After you account for the EM-deduction you can account for the SNF ... and then ask your question as to which is stronger ...

Basically, we know that the SNF is stronger because the energy in fusioning D+D is potentially much greater than the electrostatic repulsion (sub-MeV) for opposing D-charges reaching nucleon-radius distance.

Ray.
 
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