Stroop Theory - the possible unification of QM with GR through IT and CHO?

  • #31
Kea said:
Duality of Orthogonal and Symplectic Matrix Integrals and Quaternionic Feynman Graphs
M. Mulase, A. Waldron
http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0206011

Observe that the duality on page 20 explains the T-duality of String theory. Moreover, the three allowed values of \alpha, namely 1/2, 1 and 2, indicate the existence of three natural scales, one large, one small and one so-called self-dual point, which is the complex case.

:smile:
 
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  • #32
Kea

I became side-tracked with the discussion of attractors.

I reviewed my old ‘Chaos’ by J Gleick (paperback-1987).

On page 143 is a demonstration of how a torus may become distorted in cross [Poincare] section.

On p271 “Economists analyzing stock market data would try to find attractors of dimension 3.7 or 5.3”

The numbers 3.7 and 5.1 or 5.4 are prominent in the ‘The discovery of the [alpha]-helix and [beta]-sheet, the principal structural features of proteins’ by David Eisenberg in PNAS.
“Why did Pauling delay 3 years in publishing this finding that came to him in only a few hours? He gave the answer in his banquet address at the third symposium of the Protein Society in Seattle in 1989. He was uneasy that the diffraction pattern of -keratin shows as its principal meridional feature a strong reflection at 5.15-Å resolution, whereas the -helix repeat calculated from his models with Corey was at 5.4 Å. As he says in his fourth paper of the PNAS series with Corey: "The 5.15-Å arc seems on first consideration to rule out the alpha-helix, for which the c-axis period must be a multiple of the axis distance per turn..." But then came the paper in 1950 by Bragg, Kendrew, and Perutz enumerating potential protein helices. Pauling told his audience in 1989: "I knew that if they could come up with all of the wrong helices, they would soon come up with the one right one, so I felt the need to publish it."
“The origin of the discrepancy between the repeat of the -helix and the x-ray reflection of alpha-keratin was hit on a year later by Francis Crick (5), then a graduate student with Perutz, and also by Pauling. It is that keratin is a coiled-coil, with alpha-helices winding around each other. The wider excursion of the alpha-helix in the coiled-coil reduces its repeat distance to 5.1 Å. This knack of knowing which contradictory fact to ignore was one of Pauling's great abilities as a creative scientist.‘
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/100/20/11207

Is the helix itself an attractor?
Is chaos theory related to game theory?

I also looked at ‘attractor’ un MathWorld. The Rössler Attractor may relate to spiral galaxies? and perhaps to the 9_Conclussions p 30-32 of ‘Duality of Orthogonal and Symplectic Matrix Integrals and Quaternionic Feynman Graphs by M. Mulase, A. Waldron. in your 8-11 post.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RoesslerAttractor.html

In the ‘NCG predictions: Alain Connes in SciAm’ thread, I think that flight mechanics of animals or objects controlled by animals may be a subset of the NCG torus which may hold for any general n-body interaction.
I suspect this because of the evolution during or shortly after the Cambrian explosion of genus-3-torus semi-circular canals for balance and orientation based on angular momentum in chordates.
Phylum: Chordata
Subphylum: Vertebrata
Superclass: Pisces
Agnathans vs. Gnathostomes:
semicircular canals - agnathans have 1 or 2 - gnathostomes have 3
from ;BIO 342
Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy
Lecture Notes 1 - Chordate Origins & Phylogeny’
http://www.biology.eku.edu/ritchiso/342notes1.htm

‘Building a better semicircular canal: could we balance any better?‘ by Todd Squires (Caltech): “Every vertebrate organism uses fluid-filled semi-circular canals (SCC) to sense angular rotation -- and thus to balance, navigate, and hunt. Whereas the size of most organs typically scales with the size of the organism itself, the SCC are all about the same size--whether in lizards, mice, humans or whales. What is so special about these dimensions? We consider fluid flow in the canals and elastic deformations of a sensory membrane, and isolate physical and physiological constraints required for successful SCC function. We demonstrate that the `parameter space' open to evolution is almost completely constrained; furthermore, the most sensitive possible SCC has dimensions that are remarkably close to those common to all vertebrates”
http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR03/DFD03/baps/abs/S240011.html

‘Electrical coupling between secondary hair cells in the statocyst of the squid Alloteuthis subulata’ by R Williamson: ‘The cephalopod angular acceleration receptor system has sensory response characteristics similar to those of the vertebrate semicircular canal system and, unusual for an invertebrate, contains secondary receptor hair cells. The experiments reported use intracellular recordings from pairs of hair cells to show that at least one subset of the hair cells is electrically coupled along the entire length of the crista section. The coupling can be reduced by application of heptanol or octanol. Intracellular injection of H+ ions into a hair cell reduces the coupling of cells on the opposite site of the injected hair cell but does not abolish it completely. It is proposed that the coupling is likely to result in an improvement in the signal-to-noise ratio of the receptor system, a reduction in overall frequency response, but an increase in the low frequency sensitivity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2541872&dopt=Abstract


BACK TO AP BIOLOGY HOME PAGE Chapter 40: Sense Organs by Jerry G. Johnson with the last line “4. Static equilibrium organs called statocysts are found in cnidaria, mollusks, and crustacea.”
http://www.sirinet.net/~jgjohnso/apbio40.html

Statocysts images can be found on Google, but otherwise I know very little about these SCC equivalent organs.

Sorry, but I still have not yet finished the Ghrist book.
 
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  • #33
Kea

I became side-tracked with the discussion of attractors.

I reviewed my old ‘Chaos’ by J Gleick (paperback-1987).

On page 143 is a demonstration of how a torus may become distorted in cross [Poincare] section.

On p271 “Economists analyzing stock market data would try to find attractors of dimension 3.7 or 5.3”

The numbers 3.7 and 5.1 or 5.4 are prominent in the ‘The discovery of the [alpha]-helix and [beta]-sheet, the principal structural features of proteins’ by David Eisenberg in PNAS.
“Why did Pauling delay 3 years in publishing this finding that came to him in only a few hours? He gave the answer in his banquet address at the third symposium of the Protein Society in Seattle in 1989. He was uneasy that the diffraction pattern of -keratin shows as its principal meridional feature a strong reflection at 5.15-Å resolution, whereas the -helix repeat calculated from his models with Corey was at 5.4 Å. As he says in his fourth paper of the PNAS series with Corey: "The 5.15-Å arc seems on first consideration to rule out the alpha-helix, for which the c-axis period must be a multiple of the axis distance per turn..." But then came the paper in 1950 by Bragg, Kendrew, and Perutz enumerating potential protein helices. Pauling told his audience in 1989: "I knew that if they could come up with all of the wrong helices, they would soon come up with the one right one, so I felt the need to publish it."
“The origin of the discrepancy between the repeat of the -helix and the x-ray reflection of alpha-keratin was hit on a year later by Francis Crick (5), then a graduate student with Perutz, and also by Pauling. It is that keratin is a coiled-coil, with alpha-helices winding around each other. The wider excursion of the alpha-helix in the coiled-coil reduces its repeat distance to 5.1 Å. This knack of knowing which contradictory fact to ignore was one of Pauling's great abilities as a creative scientist.‘
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/100/20/11207

Is the helix itself an attractor?
Is chaos theory related to game theory?

I also looked at ‘attractor’ un MathWorld. The Rössler Attractor may relate to spiral galaxies? and perhaps to the 9_Conclussions p 30-32 of ‘Duality of Orthogonal and Symplectic Matrix Integrals and Quaternionic Feynman Graphs by M. Mulase, A. Waldron. in your 8-11 post.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RoesslerAttractor.html

In the ‘NCG predictions: Alain Connes in SciAm’ thread, I think that flight mechanics of animals or objects controlled by animals may be a subset of the NCG torus which may hold for any general n-body interaction.
I suspect this because of the evolution during or shortly after the Cambrian explosion of genus-3-torus semi-circular canals for balance and orientation based on angular momentum in chordates.
Phylum: Chordata
Subphylum: Vertebrata
Superclass: Pisces
Agnathans vs. Gnathostomes:
semicircular canals - agnathans have 1 or 2 - gnathostomes have 3
from ;BIO 342
Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy
Lecture Notes 1 - Chordate Origins & Phylogeny’
http://www.biology.eku.edu/ritchiso/342notes1.htm

‘Building a better semicircular canal: could we balance any better?‘ by Todd Squires (Caltech): “Every vertebrate organism uses fluid-filled semi-circular canals (SCC) to sense angular rotation -- and thus to balance, navigate, and hunt. Whereas the size of most organs typically scales with the size of the organism itself, the SCC are all about the same size--whether in lizards, mice, humans or whales. What is so special about these dimensions? We consider fluid flow in the canals and elastic deformations of a sensory membrane, and isolate physical and physiological constraints required for successful SCC function. We demonstrate that the `parameter space' open to evolution is almost completely constrained; furthermore, the most sensitive possible SCC has dimensions that are remarkably close to those common to all vertebrates”
http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR03/DFD03/baps/abs/S240011.html

‘Electrical coupling between secondary hair cells in the statocyst of the squid Alloteuthis subulata’ by R Williamson: ‘The cephalopod angular acceleration receptor system has sensory response characteristics similar to those of the vertebrate semicircular canal system and, unusual for an invertebrate, contains secondary receptor hair cells. The experiments reported use intracellular recordings from pairs of hair cells to show that at least one subset of the hair cells is electrically coupled along the entire length of the crista section. The coupling can be reduced by application of heptanol or octanol. Intracellular injection of H+ ions into a hair cell reduces the coupling of cells on the opposite site of the injected hair cell but does not abolish it completely. It is proposed that the coupling is likely to result in an improvement in the signal-to-noise ratio of the receptor system, a reduction in overall frequency response, but an increase in the low frequency sensitivity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2541872&dopt=Abstract


BACK TO AP BIOLOGY HOME PAGE Chapter 40: Sense Organs by Jerry G. Johnson with the last line “4. Static equilibrium organs called statocysts are found in cnidaria, mollusks, and crustacea.”
http://www.sirinet.net/~jgjohnso/apbio40.html

Statocysts images can be found on Google, but otherwise I know very little about these SCC equivalent organs.

Sorry, but I still have not yet finished the Ghrist book.
 
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  • #34
Thanks for all the amazing genetics/physiology. I've never thought about the physiology side of it before. But I guess it makes sense that the evolution of balance is really a geometric question!

Are helices attractors? Well, that's what the Ghrist book suggests, I guess (please don't read it all at once - I haven't read it all!). However, I think it is a little premature to make any connection with chaos theory. Besides, the beauty of the ribbon template technology is that one can get numbers out from, essentially, the periodic orbits of the dynamical system. Everything comes from knot theory!
 
  • #35
... But I guess it makes sense that the evolution of balance is really a geometric question! ...

Great Point!
If one expands the concept of evolution beyond biophysiology, then physics evolution involves the existence and structure of space-time in apparently small and large [almost simultaneously by the eccentricities of hyperbolic and elliptic space through an E and 1/E relationship] then intermediate geometric forms such as nucleic acids eventually.

... I think it is a little premature to make any connection with chaos theory. Besides, the beauty of the ribbon template technology is that one can get numbers out from, essentially, the periodic orbits of the dynamical system. Everything comes from knot theory!

You are correct that this may be premature, but I am hopeful that when QM and GR are united so will nearly all branches of mathematics, including game theory.

I have been following the thread 'Lee Smolin's LQG may reproduce the standard model'.
We have been discussing attractors.
Attractors from my perspective look like
a - stringy loops or
b - looping strings.

The more I think about the Rössler Attractor, the more important it seems to become since it appears to be related to the logarithmic spiral thus utilizing Pi, e and i.
This spiral occurs in biology, weather [cyclones] and spiral galaxies.
Does it appear in QM?
 
  • #36
Dcase said:
I have been following the thread 'Lee Smolin's LQG may reproduce the standard model'...

Yes, we are having fun, aren't we? Sorry if I leave off this thread for a while now...:smile:

The more I think about the Rössler Attractor...does it appear in QM?

I've never thought about it myself, but I'm sure someone has...such as this guy:
http://www.ima.umn.edu/~weck/nbt/node3.html
 
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  • #37
Helix Attractor - Study

I searched the web for information on helix attractors.

This study examines Genetic Regulators - Could there be QM or GR application since the generalized helix is a geodesic?

http://www.inrialpes.fr/helix/people/dejong/projects/aci03/bacattract-eng.html
BacAttract - Theoretical and Experimental Analysis of Attractors of Genetic Regulatory Networks
Global Regulation of Transcription in Escherichia coli and Synechocystis PCC 6803
Coordinator : Hidde de Jong
Project funded in the framework of the Action Concertée Incitative IMPBio

"The study of genetic regulatory networks ... allowing the measurement of the spatio-temporal expression level of all genes in an organism under different conditions. In addition to high-throughput experimental methods, mathematical and computational approaches are indispensable for the analysis of genetic regulatory networks. A formalism based on piecewise-linear (PL) differential equations has been shown to be particularly adapted to the modeling of these networks."
"... first part ... study the attractors of the PL systems (equilibrium points and limit cycles), ... stability and their basin of attraction. The results of these mathematical studies will be used to develop efficient algorithms for the identification of attractors of a model of a given model."
"... second part ... study of the networks implied in the global regulation of transcription in the bacteria Escherichia coli et Synechocystis PCC 6803. We will develop the PL models of these networks by using data available in the literature, supplemented by plausible hypotheses. The predictions of the attractors, obtained by GNA [Genetic Network Analyzer] from these models, will be experimentally tested, by using measurements of the expression level of the genes, the concentration of certain proteins and metabolites, as well as the DNA topology
 
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  • #38
My comments in
Polchinski: "2006, the Year in Strings"
5 NOV 2006, 05:46 PM
may have relevance to unifying knot with chaos theory as both may be the category of bifurcations

Through saddle points one may even be able to unify bifurcations with game theory
 

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