Struggling with Fourier Transform Eigenvalues?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to Fourier transforms, specifically focusing on the properties of eigenvalues and eigenfunctions. Participants are exploring the implications of the Fourier transform's behavior when applied multiple times, as well as the nature of eigenfunctions associated with certain eigenvalues.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving a problem involving the Fourier transform, specifically in showing that \( F^2(f)(x) = 2\pi f(-x) \) and deducing that \( F^4(f) = 4\pi f \).
  • The same participant mentions trying to use the Inversion Theorem but encounters issues with the integral leading to a square function.
  • Another participant notes that the constant \( 2\pi \) is dependent on the definition of the Fourier transform and provides a specific definition for clarity.
  • This participant derives that \( \{ \mathfrak{F}^2 f\}(z) = f(-z) \) based on their definition of the Fourier transform.
  • There is a suggestion that the eigenvalues are the fourth roots of unity, and participants are encouraged to consider the real and imaginary eigenvalues along with their corresponding eigenfunctions.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the solutions to the problem, and multiple approaches and definitions of the Fourier transform are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants acknowledge that the definition of the Fourier transform can vary, which may affect the constants and results derived. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the handling of integrals and the implications for eigenvalues and eigenfunctions.

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I came across this problem in a book for Fourier Tranf. and after dedicating some time to solve I can't seem to find a solution.
The problem has 2 parts.
a)Show that (i) F^2( f )(x)=2*pi*f(-x) and then deduce that (ii) F^4( f )=4*pi*f where F denotes the Fourier Transform
b) Deduce from (i) that for two eigenvalues, all eigenfunctions must be even, and for other two
eigenvalues, all eigenfunctions must be odd and for (ii) deduce that if f is an eigenfunction of F with eigenvalue λ, then λ must take one of four possible
values.

For a)I've tried to use the Inversion Theorem...it seemed appropriate since there is a Fourier transform on one side and a function f multiplied by pi on the other.Obviously I'm doing something wrong because I get a square function under the integral and I don't know how to handle it.I'm assuming that for (ii) maybe I should use induction?!
For b)To be honest I don't have any idea mainly because I haven't figured out a).
This problem bugs me very much so any help will be appreciated.Thank you
 
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StefanM said:
I came across this problem in a book for Fourier Tranf. and after dedicating some time to solve I can't seem to find a solution.
The problem has 2 parts.
a)Show that (i) F^2( f )(x)=2*pi*f(-x) and then deduce that (ii) F^4( f )=4*pi*f where F denotes the Fourier Transform
b) Deduce from (i) that for two eigenvalues, all eigenfunctions must be even, and for other two
eigenvalues, all eigenfunctions must be odd and for (ii) deduce that if f is an eigenfunction of F with eigenvalue λ, then λ must take one of four possible
values.

For a)I've tried to use the Inversion Theorem...it seemed appropriate since there is a Fourier transform on one side and a function f multiplied by pi on the other.Obviously I'm doing something wrong because I get a square function under the integral and I don't know how to handle it.I'm assuming that for (ii) maybe I should use induction?!
For b)To be honest I don't have any idea mainly because I haven't figured out a).
This problem bugs me very much so any help will be appreciated.Thank you

For a) you should note that the constant \(2\pi \) is dependednt on your definition of the Fourier transform, there are a number of conventions about what the variables are and where the constants go.

I will take the following definition (you will need to rework what follows with whatever definition you are working with):

\[ \{\mathfrak{F}f\}(\xi) =\int_{x=-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)e^{-2\pi {\bf{i}} x\xi} \; dx \]

and:

\[ \{ \mathfrak{F}^{-1}F \}(x) = -\int_{\xi=-\infty}^{\infty}F(\xi)e^{2\pi {\bf{i} }x\xi} \; dx \].

Now I will assume that \(f(x)\) is such that the integrals in the forward and backward FT make sense without recourse to the theory of distributions.

Then:

\[ \{ \mathfrak{F}^2 f\} (z)= \int_{y=-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{x=-\infty}^{\infty} f(x)e^{-2\pi {\bf{i}} x y}e^{-2\pi {\bf{i}} y z} dx\; dy \]

Now put \(z=-\zeta \)

\[ \{ \mathfrak{F}^2 f\} (-\zeta)= \int_{y=-\infty}^{\infty}\int_{x=-\infty}^{\infty} f(x)e^{-2\pi {\bf{i}} x y}e^{2\pi {\bf{i}} y \zeta} dx\; dy =\left(\mathfrak{F}^{-1}\left( \mathfrak{F}f\right)\right)(\zeta) =f(\zeta) \]

or:

\[ \{ \mathfrak{F}^2 f\} (z)=f(-z) \]

CB
 
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Thank you...what should I do for the other points?:confused:
 
StefanM said:
Thank you...what should I do for the other points?:confused:

The equvalent of ii. with the my definition of the FT follows immeadiatly since:

\[ \mathfrak{F}^4f=\mathfrak{F}^2\left(\mathfrak{F}^2f \right) \]

Which should tell you that the eigenvalues are the fourth roots of unity, then consider the real and imaginary eigenvalues and their corresponding eigenfunctions using a.i.CB
 
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